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Old September 3 2013, 06:55 PM   #316
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That comment about 'Walt's other home'. He's not talking about the laundry. Jesse knows Walt's other criminal associates. Todd, Lydia. Todd'd be a rock in an interrogation, but Lydia? Jesse knows she's a coward and knows how she ships the meth to the Czech Republic.

And Hank? He's sharp enough to figure out the 'Talk or we'll put you in holding and make it look like you talked' play.
This 'other home' business could refer to his home life. As long as Jesse has worked with Walt, the drug making has become their true home, where they both excel at what they do. Perhaps Jesse will be off to tell Junior a few home truths?

I could be a million miles away but either way I'd love to see Junior's reaction to the real truth. He'd be so pissed.
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Old September 3 2013, 07:25 PM   #317
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^ That sounds very plausible. Walt did seem to be pretty shaken over what Jesse might do in the last episode. Either way, this episode was pivotal for Jesse. One, he snapped out of his funk and went into active mode, and two, seemed to get over his hatred for Hank. Both pretty bad developments for Walt. It was good to see Gomie brought in on things, but I still worry Hank's investigation is a little to extra-legal for its own good.

I think Jesse we used to know is gone. He thought Walt was going to kill him and got sick of his lies. The episode seems to deal with Walt's lies no longer working for anyone.

Jesse still hates Hank, but his hatred for Walt is so high after realizing he poisoned the kid that it's more "The enemy of my enemy is my friend".
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Old September 3 2013, 08:03 PM   #318
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Did anyone find it odd the way the scene played out with Jesse having to go to the bathroom during the video confession and then Hank asking for another sim card?
I'll bet Jesse lifted the recording during the time Hank was outside with Gomez and flushed it when he said he had to use the bathroom.
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Old September 3 2013, 08:37 PM   #319
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Did anyone find it odd the way the scene played out with Jesse having to go to the bathroom during the video confession and then Hank asking for another sim card?
I'll bet Jesse lifted the recording during the time Hank was outside with Gomez and flushed it when he said he had to use the bathroom.
When I first saw it I thought he was going to bolt, but that theory makes a lot of sense. I thought there was something off about it.
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Old September 3 2013, 08:38 PM   #320
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I find it odd that Jesse spilled his guts to Hank and Gomez without an immunity deal in writing. Even if they don't get Walt, Hank's got enough to Jesse to put a needle in his arm now.
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Old September 3 2013, 08:42 PM   #321
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That comment about 'Walt's other home'. He's not talking about the laundry. Jesse knows Walt's other criminal associates. Todd, Lydia. Todd'd be a rock in an interrogation, but Lydia? Jesse knows she's a coward and knows how she ships the meth to the Czech Republic.

And Hank? He's sharp enough to figure out the 'Talk or we'll put you in holding and make it look like you talked' play.
This 'other home' business could refer to his home life. As long as Jesse has worked with Walt, the drug making has become their true home, where they both excel at what they do. Perhaps Jesse will be off to tell Junior a few home truths?

I could be a million miles away but either way I'd love to see Junior's reaction to the real truth. He'd be so pissed.
For the record, Jesse didn't say he was going to attack Walt's "other home". He said he was going to attack him where he "really lives". That is a metaphor for what is really important to Walt. I think we know that the thing that is important to Walt is his family, at least I think that's what is still most important to him.

But Jesse told this to Hank so whatever the plan is, seems to me, it would have to involve getting tangible evidence (physical evidence, witness statements, confessions, etc.) against Walt. I can't see how telling Junior about Walt's crimes is going to result in any tangible evidence against Walt. Jesse could do it as a revenge thing, but again, how would that yield any evidence?

Perhaps Jesse will use telling Jr. as a threat, which might get to Skylar as well as Walt. I don't think Jesse is aware of Skylar's involvement. But how would this course of action sit with Hank? Junior is his nephew and he loves the kid. Would Hank even allow him to be involved in the plot to get his father? Hard for me to see Hank going for this. And don't let Marie find out.

Jesse has already made an attack on Walt's personal life. Dragging Walt Jr. in would seem like they'd be going to the same "well" twice, something this show wouldn't do (I don't think), even though things seem to be pointing us in this direction.

Said all that to say that I'm just not sure of where this thing is going.
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Old September 3 2013, 09:17 PM   #322
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I find it odd that Jesse spilled his guts to Hank and Gomez without an immunity deal in writing. Even if they don't get Walt, Hank's got enough to Jesse to put a needle in his arm now.
I agree, it was very odd. He admitted to murder without a deal? I know he's super pissed but still it's very odd.
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Old September 3 2013, 09:32 PM   #323
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The only thing I didn't like about this episode was not seeing Gomez's reacation about finding out the truth about Walter. I've been waiting for that moment all season.
I agree. Especially since Hank made such a big deal out of the fact that Walt was Heisenberg. He seemed afraid at how the DEA would respond. I was expecting at least some kind of conversation about it with Gomez. Maybe it was a deleted scene.
I have a feeling they'll flash back to that pivotal scene. I hope so, anyway. I know that a lot of criticism was that this episode wasn't as intense, but frankly I'm glad I could hear most everyone - these last few episodes have had a lot of murmuring and mumbling and I've had to crank the TV to the max to make some of it out.
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Old September 3 2013, 10:16 PM   #324
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I was actually kind of bummed we didn't get to see Jesse detail more of the story. Even if we already know it, I would have loved to have seen Hank and Gomez's reaction to just how crazy and insane things really got at times.

Particularly the shooting of the Drew Sharp kid, which they probably never would have suspected beforehand was tied to Walt.
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Old September 3 2013, 11:41 PM   #325
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For the record, Jesse didn't say he was going to attack Walt's "other home". He said he was going to attack him where he "really lives". That is a metaphor for what is really important to Walt. I think we know that the thing that is important to Walt is his family, at least I think that's what is still most important to him.
We in the audience may think that, but does Jesse? Walt always kept Jesse away from his family life, he didn't even tell him that he was cooking meth to make money for his family, Jesse had to figure that out on his own. What Jesse knows is Walt's business dealings. Jesse sees Walt as a meth kingpin, not a father. Walt's "in the empire business." That's where Walt really lives from Jesse's perspective.

I'll bet whatever Jesse is planning involves Lydia and Todd. I have no idea what he's planning to do with them, but we're halfway through these final episode and they haven't come into play yet, something is clearly about to happen with them.
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Old September 4 2013, 01:23 AM   #326
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The final episodes are thrilling.Such a shame the runners behind Dexter couldn't wrap up their show in the same way as BR.
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Old September 4 2013, 08:57 AM   #327
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I find it odd that Jesse spilled his guts to Hank and Gomez without an immunity deal in writing. Even if they don't get Walt, Hank's got enough to Jesse to put a needle in his arm now.
Luckily for Jesse, New Mexico abolished the death penalty a couple of years ago.
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Old September 4 2013, 11:30 AM   #328
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You see, burning his house down WAS Jesse's attempt to involve Walt's family. Involving Walt's family is not his next play, because he refers to it as where he "Really Lives". Besides, Hank would never go along with anything that involved Walt's family, if he's to be involved in the next play

The most important thing to Walt is to control everything. I think Jesse will take that away from him, which is really going to set this things off
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Old September 4 2013, 12:11 PM   #329
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I thought the most notable aspects of the episode were 1) Walt having the bravery to confront Jesse, even in a public place 2)Hank shouting out that Walt cares about Jesse and 3)Hank shouting out that Jesse was a junkie and a murderer, in that order.

Sorry, but Walt growing testicles that work when he isn't desperate isn't quite convincing.

Hank perceiving Walt's twisted love for his surrogate son through Jesse's hysterical confession comes from the script rather any plausible analysis or deductive process. The strongest piece of evidence, Walt's vehicular homicide, is trumped by the way Jesse was an absolutely essential ally against Fring.

Hank despising a junkie more than a murderer, while ignoring the shocking way that Jessie simply confessed (really, how often does that happen?) shows the writers have decided that, as Gomez shouted out, Hank is driven by a grudge, not moral outrage. Part of glorifying the hero is demeaning the other protagonists.

The tarantula jar is an obvious starting point to find validating evidence for the confession. In fact, the camera lingering on it set it up as a major plot device. So, like Jesse's impossible freedom, we have the script unartfully contriving a way for the final confrontation to be limited to the desired characters. There's nothing so obvious about Lydia, but the decree that she won't be a suitable starting point is nearly as arbitrary. The Aryan Nation is also a bunch of starting points, a lot of those guys are in prison, open to all sorts of carrots and sticks.

Jesse may think that if he takes out Todd the right way, he'll get Lydia determined to force Walt into cooking again, that is, providing fresh new possibilities of material evidence.

Jesse palming the memory card doesn't fit his emotional state, and really portrays Hanks as a giant tool. Unfortunately it's possible that's the plan, since the plotting is falling to pieces.
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Old September 4 2013, 01:01 PM   #330
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You see, burning his house down WAS Jesse's attempt to involve Walt's family. Involving Walt's family is not his next play, because he refers to it as where he "Really Lives". Besides, Hank would never go along with anything that involved Walt's family, if he's to be involved in the next play

The most important thing to Walt is to control everything. I think Jesse will take that away from him, which is really going to set this things off
and I just figured out Jesse's play. He'll do the one thing no one expects him to do. He'll go back in the meth business. Todd, his uncle, & Lydia will jump at the opportunity to have him back in lieu of Heisenberg himself, and so will Hank & the DEA. Take down Heisenberg's whole network. Send them all to prison, including Saul's gang. That's how you get to the top of the food chain

It might even give us one last glorious shot at a dazzling meth cook sequence. This will hit Walt where he truly lives, and kick start the final blowout
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