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Old September 4 2013, 05:36 AM   #31
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^^ That is a seriously WTF! Image.
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Old September 4 2013, 08:12 AM   #32
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I've never heard of such a contract clause. Care to share a source?
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Old September 4 2013, 08:41 AM   #33
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Harris was the biggest thing LIS had that the other Irwin Allen shows did not. He literally stole (and I think saved) the show.
Didn't he also steal the show as Lucifer in Original BSG. OK perhaps not steal the show but I still remember him.

I thought Dr Smith much less redeemable than Gaius Baltar in nuBSG but perhaps he is a modern equivalent.
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Old September 4 2013, 11:43 AM   #34
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I've never heard of such a contract clause. Care to share a source?
Fan knowledge of this general topic probably began with a review of ST:TMP by Harlan Ellison in Starlog magazine (April 1980), in which he excoriated Shatner for counting lines in the "City" script. Ellison might also talk about it in a youtube video somewhere; I can't recall for sure. But he obviously didn't understand the legitimate problem faced by TV's lead actors in the 1960s, and didn't bother to find out.

I think I read "official" confirmation that Shatner had one of these role-protecting contract clauses in Inside Star Trek, of which I read a borrowed copy so I can't find the reference. But it's a pretty well-known thing now.
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Old September 4 2013, 11:55 AM   #35
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Here's a little insight on Guy Williams' professional disaster at the hands of Jonathan Harris, which Shatner did not want to risk experiencing with Leonard Nimoy:









As I've said, I think Harris actually saved Lost in Space, but Guy didn't have to like it.

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Old September 4 2013, 06:24 PM   #36
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I remember a couple of years back imaging classic TREK given the profane, no-good-behavior-rewarded treatment you tend to see on THE SOPRANOS, OZ and GAME OF THRONES. Now that HBO is doing first-class fantasy now, how do you think they would reimagine LOST IN SPACE?

Considering the source material, the silliness potential's still great, but don't forget how serious the show originally was.
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Old September 4 2013, 06:41 PM   #37
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I remember a couple of years back imaging classic TREK given the profane, no-good-behavior-rewarded treatment you tend to see on THE SOPRANOS, OZ and GAME OF THRONES. Now that HBO is doing first-class fantasy now, how do you think they would reimagine LOST IN SPACE?

Considering the source material, the silliness potential's still great, but don't forget how serious the show originally was.
Yeah, but you don't have to go all dirty on it. Sure there is swearing in real life but often not as over-the-top as it's done on TV.

What was that western themed series some years back that had "fuck" like every third or fourth word? I got bored real fast.
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Old September 4 2013, 07:03 PM   #38
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DEADWOOD, probably. If it's HBO, it's going to take advantage of its freedom. More often than not it pays of in memorable ways....if we leave out Robert Iler's Tony Junior anyway.
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I've never heard of such a contract clause. Care to share a source?
Fan knowledge of this general topic probably began with a review of ST:TMP by Harlan Ellison in Starlog magazine (April 1980), in which he excoriated Shatner for counting lines in the "City" script. Ellison might also talk about it in a youtube video somewhere; I can't recall for sure. But he obviously didn't understand the legitimate problem faced by TV's lead actors in the 1960s, and didn't bother to find out.

I think I read "official" confirmation that Shatner had one of these role-protecting contract clauses in Inside Star Trek, of which I read a borrowed copy so I can't find the reference. But it's a pretty well-known thing now.
That hardly sounds like it's "common" though. That's just a Star Trek specific example. I don't recall reading any such thing in Inside Star Trek, but my copy is out on loan so I can't check right now.
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Old September 4 2013, 08:12 PM   #40
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Harris was the biggest thing LIS had that the other Irwin Allen shows did not. He literally stole (and I think saved) the show.
Didn't he also steal the show as Lucifer in Original BSG. OK perhaps not steal the show but I still remember him.
He was great in BSG! Definitely stole all the scenes with Baltar, subtly getting his goat. I always thought Lucifer would be fun to hang out with.


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Sure there is swearing in real life but often not as over-the-top as it's done on TV.

What was that western themed series some years back that had "f*ck" like every third or fourth word? I got bored real fast.
You have obviously never met a co-worker of mine named Rob. This disturbed fellow feels compelled to drop an "F bomb" at least every other sentence. It would be one thing if I worked on a shipyard loading dock for some other equivalent "blue collar" job. But we are both system engineers in a 7 story tall office building with a dress code mandating button down shirts and ties.

One time I got so frustrated with him that I asked, "So, how's your Tourette syndrome today?"

An exceptionally vile individual.

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Old September 5 2013, 12:25 AM   #42
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Well, I did know a fellow from Columbia who covered his lapses in English vocabulary with an *F* about every sentence. He was actually a pretty funny guy, but it could get old.
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Old September 5 2013, 12:40 AM   #43
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It varies depending on region, culture, and generations. My relatives rarely swear, but my author colleagues from New York use the F-word casually and routinely. And I once overheard a conversation by two younger men on a bus in which a certain four-syllable epithet was used in pretty much every sentence, essentially as a pronoun, and was so casual and stripped of meaning that it had become elided to "m'fuh" or "m'fug." And yet when one of the speakers wanted to convey genuine offense, he said, "What the hell?!"
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Old September 5 2013, 12:56 AM   #44
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I was in the USAF (the most "civilized" of the services) and I remember the F-word being used several times in a sentence by just about everyone EXCEPT the officers...
It took me a while to stop using it in casual conversation..example (while on my first leave back home).."Mom! these are the best f*cking pancakes ever!"or "Thanks Mom! you did my f*cking laundry!"... I was a bad person.. Now I only use it to deliver proper emphasis in a workplace setting..
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Old September 5 2013, 01:42 PM   #45
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Regarding this revelation that a duplicate Jupiter 2 cockpit set was built for special viewport situations:

http://jupiter2project.com/mcc/index.html



And of course we know that they also built a duplicate set of the J2 ship exterior exclusively for space walk scenes, rather than re-use the planet-side ship exterior set:



I find that I cannot think of a single standing set from the Enterprise that they built a duplicate of for special situations. Am I missing anything? It seems like there was only one of every set on Star Trek, and you can only do so much with the way a given set is built.

I suspect this is because Fox was so much bigger and better capitalized than Desilu, and Fox was thus able to do things bigger. This gave them very dynamic, versatile filming capabilities, like the impressive starfield and weightless rigging John Robinson enjoyed.
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