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Old August 28 2013, 07:19 PM   #31
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Re: DS9 on blu-ray -- What can we do?

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Seems pretty clear-cut to me. TNG may have been the favorite back in the day, but a *lot* of people feel DS9 has aged better. That's worth something to the studios, whether they realize it or not.

Has there been any announced plans of returning TNG to HD syndication? Or is there an assumption that this would only happen after all 7 seasons are complete?

I'm sure most here are already aware, but I did re-read this article recently which may lead to more optimism and an answer to those concerned about the increasing use of CGI. Trekcore Article
Well TNG-HD has been airing on the Syfy Channel (UK). There might also be some fans waiting for the boxset of all seasons to come out.
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Old August 28 2013, 07:23 PM   #32
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It's funny how it is always DS9 fans starting these topics, while VOY fans don't give a crap about whether their show is remastered or not. I heard VOY dvd sales were pretty awful too!
Do you know if DS9 sold well?
DS9 sets apparently sold beyond Paramount's expectations.
Of course it did. The good shows with low (comparatively) ratings always do.

You'd think the studios would figure this out eventually.
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Old August 28 2013, 07:49 PM   #33
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But if you expect X show to shift 50 000 units and it shifts 70 000 it exceed you're expectations. Reverse it and it failed to meet expectations. So perhaps it all comes down to how well Paramount expected each show to sell.
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Old August 28 2013, 07:52 PM   #34
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There might also be some fans waiting for the boxset of all seasons to come out.
Wow. I shudder to think how much a boxed set of 7 seasons on bluray would cost. I walked past a set of one season of TNG in Target the other day, and I had to do a double-take when I saw the price tag! But for some reason, I don't think I'd have the same reaction if I saw DS9 on bluray. I'd fork out the cash faster than you can say, "Dabo!"
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Old August 28 2013, 08:09 PM   #35
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ST:TNG Season 7 sold about 80,000 units during its first year in 2003 at the $100 Price point, generating about $8.3 million. I imagine the total is much more now.

No other Trek series DVD was in the top 50 sellers for TV DVDs in 2003. X-Files wasn't there either.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer dvd sets were huge that year. Season 5 sold twice as much units as TNG and made about as much money, but keep in mind the Buffy sets were cheaper.

"Family Guy," "The Simpsons," "Friends," and "Sex and the City" sold even better.
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Old August 29 2013, 01:31 AM   #36
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It's funny how it is always DS9 fans starting these topics, while VOY fans don't give a crap about whether their show is remastered or not. I heard VOY dvd sales were pretty awful too!
Do you know if DS9 sold well?
DS9 sets apparently sold beyond Paramount's expectations.
Great it's good to see quality appreciated.
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Old August 30 2013, 05:10 PM   #37
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In addition to the many ideas posted above, one thing worth doing might be to sign up on Amazon's mailing list for DS9 on Blu-ray and then write a review (currently there are only three) indicting your interest.

Couldn't hurt.

Thankfully, CBS seems to care more about the franchise on home video than Paramount does, so I'm personally optimistic.
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Old August 30 2013, 05:33 PM   #38
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Future-proofing is what it's about! Eventually we will move out of HD to Ultra HD, 4k, etc.. so if we leave Ds9 and Voyager in SD they really become more useless as time goes on.
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Seems pretty clear-cut to me. TNG may have been the favorite back in the day, but a *lot* of people feel DS9 has aged better. That's worth something to the studios, whether they realize it or not.
I think they have got to at least put season 1 out there to feel out the demand, the problem is that they pretty much need to be working on 2 and 3 already to keep any flow in the releases.

Blu Ray is a format with a shelf life, and they need to pull their fingers out or they will never get through everything before the time runs out!
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Old September 3 2013, 04:15 PM   #40
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I shelled out a 100 bucks a season back when the DVDs came out for TNG, DS9 and Voyager... out of the three, DS9 might be the only one I'd be interested in getting on bluray... and even then, I'd probably wait until there's a package deal.
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Old September 3 2013, 04:39 PM   #41
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DS9 might be the only one I'd be interested in getting on bluray... and even then, I'd probably wait until there's a package deal.
Wow, I don't know if I have that kind of strength, R. Star. But that would certainly be a wise move.
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Old September 3 2013, 05:04 PM   #42
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Well the marketing department hopes you don't.

But to me... Star Trek is more about the stories than the flashy graphics. So shelling out for slightly upgraded graphics isn't high on my priority list. The main things in the TNG blurays I've been interested in is the deleted scenes, but even those show up on youtube so... yeah.
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Old September 3 2013, 08:38 PM   #43
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But to me... Star Trek is more about the stories than the flashy graphics. So shelling out for slightly upgraded graphics isn't high on my priority list. The main things in the TNG blurays I've been interested in is the deleted scenes, but even those show up on youtube so... yeah.
Remember though that the overall principle behind a Blu-Ray release goes far beyond simply updating the VFX -- for a TV series shot on 35mm film stock, there is a massive upgrade in resolution for the live-action scenes involving the actors versus what is possible with DVD.

When you compare the TNG BDs to the TNG DVD releases head-to-head, the difference is absolutely breathtaking, and that's before you even get to the upgrades in visual effects (which, like you, are simply the cherry atop the sundae for me).
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There might also be some fans waiting for the boxset of all seasons to come out.
Wow. I shudder to think how much a boxed set of 7 seasons on bluray would cost. I walked past a set of one season of TNG in Target the other day, and I had to do a double-take when I saw the price tag! But for some reason, I don't think I'd have the same reaction if I saw DS9 on bluray. I'd fork out the cash faster than you can say, "Dabo!"
Also, bear in mind that no studio in its right mind would ever in a million years release seven years' worth of brand-new television series Blu-Ray product all at once onto the market as a boxed set at full retail cost.

They'd never sell enough copies to break even, much less turn a reasonable profit; the sell-through costs at launch for the individual seasons are already substantial, and seven such seasons dropping at once would be far out of most Trek fans' price-range, to say the least.
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Old September 3 2013, 10:33 PM   #45
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But to me... Star Trek is more about the stories than the flashy graphics. So shelling out for slightly upgraded graphics isn't high on my priority list. The main things in the TNG blurays I've been interested in is the deleted scenes, but even those show up on youtube so... yeah.
Remember though that the overall principle behind a Blu-Ray release goes far beyond simply updating the VFX -- for a TV series shot on 35mm film stock, there is a massive upgrade in resolution for the live-action scenes involving the actors versus what is possible with DVD.

When you compare the TNG BDs to the TNG DVD releases head-to-head, the difference is absolutely breathtaking, and that's before you even get to the upgrades in visual effects (which, like you, are simply the cherry atop the sundae for me).
I've seen a few of the episodes on BluRay, the difference it noticeable.. it just doesn't matter to me. I don't enjoy it any more beyond a moment of "hey that's neat." Is that worth shelling out for a new set? I don't think so. As I said, the deleted scene extras are the only reason I'd even think about buying them, and those end up on youtube eventually anyways.

Different people, different tastes. I know some people seem personally insulted when I say the BluRays just don't impress me all that much.
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