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Old September 2 2013, 10:15 PM   #451
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This is possibly the most complete account of this story's evolution from initial pitch to filmed episode that I've ever seen.
Out of curiosity, have you read Ellison's book about the episode?
Not yet. It is on one of my "to do" lists, but being between jobs presently I've cut back on a lot on expenses except the occasional indulgence such as TATV and the odd movie.
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Old September 2 2013, 10:18 PM   #452
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It's worth reading; Ellison sets straight a few "facts" (including at least one that is printed in Cushman's book) and is rather thorough in describing Roddenberry's post-broadcast behavior. It also includes Ellison's two drafts of the outline, Ellison's first draft of the teleplay, and a partial draft of his re-write. Much of Cushman's chapter originates from Ellison's book.
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Old September 3 2013, 01:33 AM   #453
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Done.

Despite a rough start Star Trek's first season had all the signs of being a winner. It certainly was far from being a dog. I'm interested to read in more detail why the show was on the verge of cancellation despite having an apparently mostly positive first season. That said I have some inkling as to real reasons NBC mightn't have been pleased.

Overall I think this was a good and worthwhile read even with some of its errors. As such I look forward to the next volume.

The things I liked most were learning new tidbits I hadn't known before and the dispelling (or at least clarification) of certain long accepted myths along with seeing the evolution of initial story ideas to final form. I'd like to have learned more about story ideas that were in development but ultimately didn't pan out.

I agree with Harvey and others that I'd also liked to have seen more regarding Kellum de Forest Research. Some of that could have been fascinating.

The pictures do break up the text some, but in of themselves they're like an afterthought and nothing special. The cover is just blah(!).

All things considered, yep, I'll spring for Volume 2.
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Old September 3 2013, 01:39 AM   #454
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I agree with Harvey and others that I'd also liked to have seen more regarding Kellum de Forest Research. Some of that could have been fascinating.
Kellam de Forest; de Forest Research.

(It's okay; internal memos keep spelling it "Kellum").

I transcribed all of the surviving TOS research reports his firm did (along with their reports for TWOK) in preparation for a PhD that I haven't been able to start yet. I also interviewed de Forest, twice. Although he doesn't have much to say about Star Trek (it seems like other researchers did most of the work on the series), but I'll certainly be blogging about them at some point.
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Old September 3 2013, 02:25 AM   #455
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I agree with Harvey and others that I'd also liked to have seen more regarding Kellum de Forest Research. Some of that could have been fascinating.
Kellam de Forest; de Forest Research.

(It's okay; internal memos keep spelling it "Kellum").

I transcribed all of the surviving TOS research reports his firm did (along with their reports for TWOK) in preparation for a PhD that I haven't been able to start yet. I also interviewed de Forest, twice. Although he doesn't have much to say about Star Trek (it seems like other researchers did most of the work on the series), but I'll certainly be blogging about them at some point.
Slightly OT, but what field will your PhD be in?
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Old September 3 2013, 02:29 AM   #456
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Cinema/Media Studies (or an equivalent program; they often have different names). Just have an MA right now.
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Old September 3 2013, 02:32 AM   #457
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I transcribed all of the surviving TOS research reports his firm did (along with their reports for TWOK) in preparation for a PhD that I haven't been able to start yet. I also interviewed de Forest, twice. Although he doesn't have much to say about Star Trek (it seems like other researchers did most of the work on the series), but I'll certainly be blogging about them at some point.
Sweet.
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Old September 3 2013, 03:14 AM   #458
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Am I the only one who giggles at the oddness that Kellam de Forest is associated with a show featuring De Forest Kelly?
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Old September 3 2013, 03:20 AM   #459
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Nope. Count me on on that. When I was a kid of like 7, I thought they were the same person.
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Old September 3 2013, 03:40 AM   #460
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Am I the only one who giggles at the oddness that Kellam de Forest is associated with a show featuring De Forest Kelly?
I don't giggle, but when I first read about this when I was about twelve or so I found it a bit confusing.
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Old September 3 2013, 04:01 AM   #461
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I just think it's a cool little bit of cosmic poetry.
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Old September 3 2013, 04:23 AM   #462
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Am I the only one who giggles at the oddness that Kellam de Forest is associated with a show featuring De Forest Kelly?
I don't giggle, but when I first read about this when I was about twelve or so I found it a bit confusing.

I found it mysterious from the time of seeing it in THE MAKING OF STAR TREK as a kid. It wasn't until the Internet era that I could find out it was a total coincidence, and both men were using their real names.
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Am I the only one who giggles at the oddness that Kellam de Forest is associated with a show featuring De Forest Kelly?
I don't giggle, but when I first read about this when I was about twelve or so I found it a bit confusing.
Same here.
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Old September 3 2013, 05:42 PM   #464
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Kellam de Forest; de Forest Research.
Did his friends ever call him "Kelley de Forest?"
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Maybe they called him Woody.
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