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Old September 2 2013, 01:32 AM   #1096
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Any bets on how long Bruce Wayne takes to figure out exactly who Clarke Kent really is? And vice versa?

Probably depends on who meets who first, right?

Bruce would recognize Clark as Superman.

Superman would recognize Batman as Bruce.

Superman and Bruce would be pretty neutral unless Bruce has seen pictures of Clark before.

And of course Clark and Batman would recognize each other.

Hoe does it usually go in the comics?
Depends. Is Batman's cowl lined with lead?
As I recall, post-Crisis Batman took the precaution of lining his cowl with lead when he met Superman and it still didn't stop Superman from figuring it out.
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Old September 2 2013, 01:41 AM   #1097
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As I recall, post-Crisis Batman took the precaution of lining his cowl with lead when he met Superman and it still didn't stop Superman from figuring it out.
Yeah, it's not like Superman can't walk over and rip off Batman's cowl.

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Old September 2 2013, 01:43 AM   #1098
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Re: ‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

Also, lead only defeats x-ray vision. The other senses would still give Clark a lot to work from.
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Old September 2 2013, 02:00 AM   #1099
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^ The Marvel movies haven't stooped to that level, so I'm holding out hope.
Yeah, but Marvel/Disney has embraced the more hokey elements of their comic book characters. So far with WB it always seems like they try to keep the hokier elements at arms length.
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Old September 2 2013, 02:22 AM   #1100
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Yeah, but Marvel/Disney has embraced the more hokey elements of their comic book characters. So far with WB it always seems like they try to keep the hokier elements at arms length.
Well, it's relative. Marvel does tend to avoid using the superhero nicknames, and tries to achieve a "grounded" feel for things and rationalize magic as alien technology. So there are some things that both franchises do to make the comics concepts more accessible to a general audience.

Also, one way in which Marvel is even less authentic than DC in its movies is the heroes' attitude toward killing. Batman and Superman at least showed some reluctance to kill most of the time, but Iron Man, Cap, and the rest are all quite lethal, unlike their comics counterparts.

And are we talking about WB as a whole or just the Nolan-produced DC films? I'd say the Green Lantern movie went pretty much whole hog with embracing the way-out and hokey ideas; if anything, its problem was that it overdid the borrowing from the source and overloaded the movie with continuity and backstory.
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Old September 2 2013, 02:32 AM   #1101
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I would love if the movie is called World's Finest or something classy along those lines but I have a feeling we're going to get something like Batman vs. Superman or some variation of that.
I think we have a pretty good chance that this will be the title. They're not going to have to worry that people won't know what the movie is about, and the last few years have proven you don't actually need the heroes names in the title of the movie.
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Old September 2 2013, 02:35 AM   #1102
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Yeah, but Marvel/Disney has embraced the more hokey elements of their comic book characters. So far with WB it always seems like they try to keep the hokier elements at arms length.
Well, it's relative. Marvel does tend to avoid using the superhero nicknames, and tries to achieve a "grounded" feel for things and rationalize magic as alien technology. So there are some things that both franchises do to make the comics concepts more accessible to a general audience.

Also, one way in which Marvel is even less authentic than DC in its movies is the heroes' attitude toward killing. Batman and Superman at least showed some reluctance to kill most of the time, but Iron Man, Cap, and the rest are all quite lethal, unlike their comics counterparts.

And are we talking about WB as a whole or just the Nolan-produced DC films? I'd say the Green Lantern movie went pretty much whole hog with embracing the way-out and hokey ideas; if anything, its problem was that it overdid the borrowing from the source and overloaded the movie with continuity and backstory.
I think the tone of the movie had a lot of problems with it, but I agree with you. I think if the GL movie just had Abin Sur and maybe Sinestro, and spent its time on Earth, it would have made for a much better cinematic introduction to the hero.

Oa, the guardians and the corps could easily have been fleshed out in a sequel.
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Old September 2 2013, 04:10 AM   #1103
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I think we have a pretty good chance that this will be the title. They're not going to have to worry that people won't know what the movie is about, and the last few years have proven you don't actually need the heroes names in the title of the movie.
I hope.

The Dark Knight as a title was a big departure, and that was WB giving Nolan a lot of faith (which eventually paid off). Of course, after that, according to speculation WB demanded that Dark Knight be included in the title for the third film - which was apparently a trade-off since WB wanted The Riddler as the villain and wanted the film to be shot/released in 3D. Nolan objectified to the 3D and wanted to use Bane instead, so then WB requested some variation of Dark Knight be used, and voila.

I don't remember who said it, but someone commented that The Dark Knight and Man of Steel have been associated with their respective characters for a long time, so it makes sense to use those titles. I'm sure WB was okay with Man of Steel as a title because it worked for Batman (which seems to be their reasoning a lot these days). World's Finest, on the other hand, doesn't scream Batman/Superman as strongly as Dark Knight does for Batman or Man of Steel does for Superman, but I also think audiences are smart enough to realize the kind of movie they are watching (especially when they see posters, trailers, etc).

Even with all of that said, I still think WB is going to end up calling this something overly direct and simple like Batman vs. Superman or Superman vs. Batman. Especially since Snyder/Goyer have been talking about these characters squaring off ever since the initial announcement. That's probably going to be the biggest appeal of this thing, besides seeing them on-screen together. Nothing says that like a title with "vs" in it (as corny as a title it would be).
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Old September 2 2013, 04:51 AM   #1104
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All this talk of WB insisting Nolan use "Dark Knight" as part of the title for his third film, I'm curious. What did he want to name it?
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Old September 2 2013, 05:01 AM   #1105
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^ "The Batman", I think.
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Old September 2 2013, 05:55 AM   #1106
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All this talk of WB insisting Nolan use "Dark Knight" as part of the title for his third film, I'm curious. What did he want to name it?
No one knows. Nolan does talk about convincing WB not to use 3D for Dark Knight Rises, and he started talking about it ever since the title was first announced.

I can't remember where I read that stipulated WB insisted on Dark Knight being in the title, but I know Goyer talked about WB wanting Leonardo DiCaprio as The Riddler when he spoke to Empire Magazine shortly before the release of The Dark Knight Rises. I remember reading that article, and Goyer said WB wanted 3D and DiCaprio as Riddler. Nolan made it known early on he wasn't going for 3D or Riddler, and I believe that's when WB offered the compromise regarding the title.
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Old September 2 2013, 04:48 PM   #1107
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Nolan shouldn't have had to make any concessions at all. He should have been like, "I just made you guys a billion dollars. Shut up."
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Old September 2 2013, 05:28 PM   #1108
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Nolan shouldn't have had to make any concessions at all. He should have been like, "I just made you guys a billion dollars. Shut up."
You would think, but WB is still a conglomerate looking to make money. They've given Nolan a lot of creative freedom - to the point where he's made several films with them - but they still want to make money.
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Old September 2 2013, 05:53 PM   #1109
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And part of Nolan's success is that he is willing to compromise.
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Old September 2 2013, 06:26 PM   #1110
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I think if the GL movie just had Abin Sur and maybe Sinestro, and spent its time on Earth, it would have made for a much better cinematic introduction to the hero.
ERRONEOUS! All the Earth stuff was the reason GL was so tiresome. All the daddy issues and melodrama sucked the life out of it.

It should have done what it looks like Guardians of the Galaxy is doing and gone more cosmic and weird.
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