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Old September 1 2013, 11:46 PM   #46
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Re: Spoilers in Books: A Discussion.

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Oh, no. I'm not going to worry about other people's feelings when they are absolutely out of my control. No matter what we do, someone will feel something somewhere between irked and boiling mad, depending on their attitude, not mine. If I have to stop and think every time I post whether this or that tidbit will "spoil" something for someone, I'm not going to post anything interesting or with substance outside of a spoiler code. And if everything would have to be spoiler coded, then nothing is really spoiler coded.
It's not hard to think "Is this plot point enough of a spoiler that it should be in a spoiler code?". The latest book has a major spoiler released because the person who did it doesn't know how to use spoiler codes. I cannot speak for others who read that and now know a major plot point before reading the book. But something that big really should have been in a spoiler code.

We do get spoilers in places not expected. For example one thread recently had to have the word spoilers added to the thread topic because someone gave away a major spoiler to a book in a thread not labeled as such.

We have to find a balance that works. We do have to take into account others and how they might feel.
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Old September 2 2013, 12:01 AM   #47
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Oh course it's not hard to consider whether a particular plot point is "enough of a spoiler" to be in spoiler code. What's hard is deciding what isn't a spoiler for someone. The fact is, every detail can be considered a spoiler and is considered a spoiler by someone. The question is not "Should we be considerate of others?". The question is "How realistically considerate can we be before we're being ridiculous?"

The only balance that will work in the long run is for everything to be spoiler coded always. Plot details of Mission to Horatius should be spoiler coded for people who haven't read it yet. After all, not doing so just because it's been out for 45 years is inconsiderate to someone. Isn't that vague unknown "someone" important enough to think about when you post?
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Old September 2 2013, 12:08 AM   #48
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We have to find a balance that works.
That's the problem, isn't it? Weren't you the one advocating for spoiler tags on everything with less than two years on the open market? How's that an example of balance? As I said before, I agree that people need to be more careful when it comes to revealing sensitive information about a book. Something like a character death, character leaving a ship, or character missing in action should definitely be spoiler coded because these are significant plot points that affect the tone and direction of story.

That said, people need to use good judgement and common sense when it comes to avoiding spoilers about books they want to read. When The Phantom Menace came out in 1999, I didn't want to know anything about the move until I saw it, so I avoided the internet except for checking my email. Guess what? It worked. I went into the movie knowing nothing. Now, 1999 was some time ago, and a lot's changed with social media (virtually non-existent then) over the past fourteen years. But people can still be careful enough to avoid information they don't want to read.

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Old September 2 2013, 12:19 AM   #49
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Oh course it's not hard to consider whether a particular plot point is "enough of a spoiler" to be in spoiler code. What's hard is deciding what isn't a spoiler for someone. The fact is, every detail can be considered a spoiler and is considered a spoiler by someone. The question is not "Should we be considerate of others?". The question is "How realistically considerate can we be before we're being ridiculous?"
Which is why I think the best solution is this: the mods decide an appropriate time length (most I've spoken with have said six months or a year) after a novel's release during which spoiler tags are required. Everyone who posts at this site agrees to follow their rules (just like anything else). After the appointed time, anything about a book is fair game. If someone has problem with the time length, he or she can post elsewhere.

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Old September 2 2013, 12:22 AM   #50
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Re: Spoilers in Books: A Discussion.

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It's not hard to think "Is this plot point enough of a spoiler that it should be in a spoiler code?". The latest book has a major spoiler released because the person who did it doesn't know how to use spoiler codes. I cannot speak for others who read that and now know a major plot point before reading the book. But something that big really should have been in a spoiler code.
I was one of the people spoiled in that thread. But, as I posted in that thread, I entered at my own risk knowingly as it had *SPOILERS* in the title when I entered.

I entered anyway, as I am only following the Titan series right now and wanted to see how the latest DS 9 series was starting out.

We have to find a balance that works. We do have to take into account others and how they might feel.
True. I always err on the side of caution to try to avoid spoiling anything for anyone.
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Old September 2 2013, 12:27 AM   #51
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Now I don't even know if there is anything that would constitute as a major spoiler in Trek lit so maybe this is a non-issue.
Star Trek: The Fall: Revelation and Dust does have a major spoiler that's been released in the thread about it. So yes, there are major spoilers. Some more major then others.

This is just an example, not a complaint.
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Old September 2 2013, 12:31 AM   #52
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Yeah I think if the title says SPOILERS and I go in the thread and I am spoiled (even a major spoiler) then it is entirely my fault as the reader.

However lets say someone makes a thread that has nothing to do with that particular book but it comes up in the discussion. Then I think if you are talking about something significant in the book it should be in spoiler code. This is common courtesy.

Now as for review threads that's tricky. Again review threads could just be for new readers to see if they want to read the book. A good review shouldn't have spoilers. However there are also the fans who might want to discuss what they read. In this case spoilers should be expected. So what type of thread is it?
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Old September 2 2013, 12:32 AM   #53
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I was one of the people spoiled in that thread. But, as I posted in that thread, I entered at my own risk knowingly as it had *SPOILERS* in the title when I entered.
Maybe the best way to handle things in the future is to not have spoilers as part of the thread title for any book discussed that's less then six months. So new books won't have spoilers out in the open until at least after the time is up. And the start time would be from the date of the eBook since that does have a fixed date that we can keep track of.
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Old September 2 2013, 12:49 AM   #54
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And the start time would be from the date of the eBook since that does have a fixed date that we can keep track of.
No, the start time will be whatever the mods decide it is, and the rest of us will abide by that.

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Old September 2 2013, 01:55 AM   #55
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And the start time would be from the date of the eBook since that does have a fixed date that we can keep track of.
No, the start time will be whatever the mods decide it is, and the rest of us will abide by that.

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The date of release on the S&S website is the date of release of the eBook. That is why I chose that date because it's a fixed date and everyone then has a chance to have at least the same amount of time to read.
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Old September 2 2013, 02:01 AM   #56
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The date of release on the S&S website is the date of release of the eBook. That is why I chose that date because it's a fixed date and everyone then has a chance to have at least the same amount of time to read.
I understand why you chose the date. That's not the point. You're not the one who makes the rules around here. The mods do that. The six-month mark for each book is whatever they say it is.

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Old September 2 2013, 02:23 AM   #57
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The date of release on the S&S website is the date of release of the eBook. That is why I chose that date because it's a fixed date and everyone then has a chance to have at least the same amount of time to read.
I understand why you chose the date. That's not the point. You're not the one who makes the rules around here. The mods do that. The six-month mark for each book is whatever they say it is.

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Given that the date on the S&S website is the official date, I don't see any reason not to use that date. Do you want to risk the wrath of the mods because you don't give a darn?
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Old September 2 2013, 02:57 AM   #58
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Re: Spoilers in Books: A Discussion.

Let's not have this dissolve into personal arguments please.

We will keep the procedure of having "Spoilers" written in a thread title when the thread is there precisely to allow people the freedom to discuss freely what happens in a newly released book. You are all capable of making your own decisions based on your own need to stay protected from spoilers.

I haven't yet had to make a decision based on which particular publication date you use and that's because all of you are considerate and do keep your discussions within the review threads. And for that I thank you. You're good people
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Old September 2 2013, 03:45 AM   #59
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Re: Spoilers in Books: A Discussion.

After Pavonis's posts, I just want to say that while I don't have a problem with spoilers, I do understand why others might. While I don't mind ruining stuff for myself, I really do think it is rude for people who do know to ruin it for people who don't. My general rule is if it is something that I was curious about going in, or something that surprises me when I learn it, then it's a spoiler and I'll code.
It is the responsibility of the people who know something spoilery not to ruin it for others. I think as long as you warn people about spoilers, either by spoiler coding it, or saying "this is a spoiler" then you are covered.
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