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Old September 2 2013, 12:47 AM   #76
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Huh? It can be a big deal either way. Cole's dream isn't a Force vision, it's a memory. Obviously if he changes the timeline things would turn out differently from what he remembers.
Yes, but the way I saw it the movie was constructed around the dream and the theme of inevitability and fate, like a Greek tragedy as Alidar said above. YMMV.

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But why do they really need to control him? What's the worst that can happen, given that we know they sent others like Jose back as well, and thus have other people in place to carry out the mission if Cole simply disappears? By interfering with him they imply that they don't want him to change things.
Presumably so he won't interfere with their activities in the past. It was implied that the time traveler "volunteers" lose their minds and eventually "don't come back." The street preacher may be an example of one who's "gone rogue."

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I think we're talking about two different things. Since you're speaking in the past tense, I imagine you're talking about how the movie was done.
Right, I was digressing about the movie. I agree about the TV adaptation, as I already stated upthread.
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Old September 2 2013, 01:12 AM   #77
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Presumably so he won't interfere with their activities in the past. It was implied that the time traveler "volunteers" lose their minds and eventually "don't come back." The street preacher may be an example of one who's "gone rogue."
That was my point. How does his interference matter if you can't change anything? Why is a time traveler going rogue a problem, when they can just send another one?
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Old September 2 2013, 01:37 AM   #78
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That was my point. How does his interference matter if you can't change anything? Why is a time traveler going rogue a problem, when they can just send another one?
He can still interfere with their work.
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Old September 2 2013, 03:15 PM   #79
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That was my point. How does his interference matter if you can't change anything? Why is a time traveler going rogue a problem, when they can just send another one?
Even if they can't change anything, they can still learn and relay information back to the future. That's what the whole answering machine thing was about, and they even showed decisions being made because of it.

They're also all criminals (or something; I honestly had a hard time understanding what was going on in the future), and they have to know that they need to continue doing their job in the past or suffer the consequences (ie, having someone else come back to "correct" their behavior/mission). Else volunteering would not only be equivalent to being released from prison, but being sent to a relative paradise to boot.
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Old September 2 2013, 04:29 PM   #80
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That was my point. How does his interference matter if you can't change anything? Why is a time traveler going rogue a problem, when they can just send another one?
He can still interfere with their work.
If he can't change the timeline, he can only ( in theory ) interfere with the attempt to obtain information about the spread of the virus. And they can just send someone else to find that information. They're only limited by the number of Cole types they have at their disposal. If they send a "replacement time traveler X" who Cole knows nothing about, how much can he do to interfere?
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Old September 2 2013, 11:49 PM   #81
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If he can't change the timeline, he can only ( in theory ) interfere with the attempt to obtain information about the spread of the virus. And they can just send someone else to find that information. They're only limited by the number of Cole types they have at their disposal. If they send a "replacement time traveler X" who Cole knows nothing about, how much can he do to interfere?
How did the street preacher know Cole was a time traveler? Or the bum who called him Bob? There seems to be some kind of unexplained connection. That aside, someone uncontrollable who knows their methods, objectives and when/where they're sending people could raise hell with their operations. The scientist-council said they had had a lot of problems with unreliable time travelers. They were also shown to be a high-handed, demanding, controlling and not very ethical group, so eliminating those who don't follow their program to the letter didn't seem too far out of character.
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Old September 3 2013, 11:31 PM   #82
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How did the street preacher know Cole was a time traveler? Or the bum who called him Bob? There seems to be some kind of unexplained connection.
But Cole didn't have some kind of sixth sense identifying them as time travelers; they deliberately acted in a way that got his attention. By the same token, if they send some new guy and just tell him "try to blend in and stay away from James Cole", how's Cole going to interfere with him? The new guy could go rogue too, but you always run that risk.

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They were also shown to be a high-handed, demanding, controlling and not very ethical group, so eliminating those who don't follow their program to the letter didn't seem too far out of character.
But why not just eliminate them in the future ( or just kick them out of the program, so to speak )? We see that they keep sending Cole back even though he fails to follow their program to the letter.
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Old November 4 2013, 06:36 PM   #83
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Aaron Stanford & Amanda Schull To Topline Syfy’s ’12 Monkeys’ Pilot
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Old April 16 2014, 10:04 PM   #84
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Yet more monkey business – How 12 Monkeys has changed on its way to TV(a lot of spoilers for the pilot)
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Old April 16 2014, 11:09 PM   #85
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I'm fine with quite a few of those changes. Dropping the dream sequences/foreshadowing makes sense, for example. On the other hand, I wish they kept the rules of time travel ambiguous. Let them believe it's possible to change the future without necessarily establishing that fact conclusively early on.
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Old July 16 2014, 11:37 PM   #86
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It's preview time.

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Old July 17 2014, 05:58 AM   #87
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I saw that earlier today. Looks pretty good.
I can't get my computer to copy the address for a link to the story, but I IGN has an interview with the producers.
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Old July 17 2014, 06:15 AM   #88
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That looks terrible -- a pale imitation of the original* in production value, writing, and acting. It's sometimes hard to judge these things based on trailers, though, so I'll reserve final judgment for when the reviews start to come out.

*Also, of course, a remake.
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Old July 17 2014, 02:40 PM   #89
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I've only seen the Gilliam film once, so I don't have much to compare this to -- which is probably for the best. I think something like this is best judged on its own terms, allowed to be its own distinct entity. The trailer looked okay to me, although I got the impression it won't be doing anything that different from the standard tropes of most time-travel fiction.
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Old July 17 2014, 10:37 PM   #90
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The Terry Gilliam movie is one of my favorite films, so this is going to have a hard time winning me over. Plus, it looks like shit.
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