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View Poll Results: Rate Revelation and Dust.
Outstanding 29 25.66%
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Old September 1 2013, 08:25 PM   #106
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Re: TF: Revelation and Dust by DRGIII Review Thread (Spoilers!)

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^ I really, really, really hope you're just trolling and not as fucking stupid in real life as you act around here all the time.

First your eBook (but only ePubs!!!) crusade, now your overzealousness concerning spoilers.

In case you haven't noticed: you're in a thread marked as a spoiler thread, so no spoiler tags are needed. But facts like that shouldn't stand in the way of you making an ass out of yourself, right?

(P.S. to the mods: I know this is an infraction-worthy post, but this fucking piece of shit is really getting on my nerves, and I guess it's time for my first infraction after 10+ years.)
My thoughts exactly, but I need to be a little more diplomatic in airing them as I don't want a forced day away from here.
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Old September 1 2013, 08:30 PM   #107
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As for the revelation about a central event... Look if you care that much if spoilers bother you that much than they do, but frankly some of you carry on to a degree that I personally find a little ridiculous. It would be like finding out that if you follow a certain road at the end is San Francisco and proclaiming that the whole trip is now ruined.

The most extreme example in my opinion are people over in Wholand who got pissed off because people didn't spoiler code the HUGE FUCKING PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT about who will be playing the next Doctor. Bottom line if you are really that spoiler adverse I'd advise pretty much staying the fuck off the internet because spoilers not only live here but they breed with a rapidity rivaled only by Tribbles.
Well said and captures my feelings precisely. As I said earlier, I wish people would be more careful about using the spoiler tags. But everyone makes mistakes or forgets from time to time. It's up to all of us to think for ourselves and decide if visiting the site after a new novel comes out is worth accidentally seeing spoilers that might ruin any surprises the book has in it. For those who have difficulty enjoying a book after the ending has been revealed, I'd suggest avoiding message boards like this until you've had a chance to read the book.

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Old September 1 2013, 08:44 PM   #108
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Re: TF: Revelation and Dust by DRGIII Review Thread (Spoilers!)

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^ I really, really, really hope you're just trolling and not as fucking stupid in real life as you act around here all the time.

First your eBook (but only ePubs!!!) crusade, now your overzealousness concerning spoilers.

In case you haven't noticed: you're in a thread marked as a spoiler thread, so no spoiler tags are needed. But facts like that shouldn't stand in the way of you making an ass out of yourself, right?

(P.S. to the mods: I know this is an infraction-worthy post, but this fucking piece of shit is really getting on my nerves, and I guess it's time for my first infraction after 10+ years.)
While I understand your frustration I think that perhaps calling the person in question stupid is a bit extreme. Speaking as someone who honestly does not really like said person, I will say that they seem either incapable or unwilling to consider let alone accept that other people have opinions and completely valid reasons for holding said opinions. There are not many people like that in these environs (thankfully) but I can think of one other and I find both of their self righteous insistence on their views being the only correct view more than a bit tiresome.
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Old September 1 2013, 09:52 PM   #109
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Re: TF: Revelation and Dust by DRGIII Review Thread (Spoilers!)

Sran wrote: View Post
Stoek wrote: View Post
As for the revelation about a central event... Look if you care that much if spoilers bother you that much than they do, but frankly some of you carry on to a degree that I personally find a little ridiculous. It would be like finding out that if you follow a certain road at the end is San Francisco and proclaiming that the whole trip is now ruined.

The most extreme example in my opinion are people over in Wholand who got pissed off because people didn't spoiler code the HUGE FUCKING PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT about who will be playing the next Doctor. Bottom line if you are really that spoiler adverse I'd advise pretty much staying the fuck off the internet because spoilers not only live here but they breed with a rapidity rivaled only by Tribbles.
Well said and captures my feelings precisely. As I said earlier, I wish people would be more careful about using the spoiler tags. But everyone makes mistakes or forgets from time to time. It's up to all of us to think for ourselves and decide if visiting the site after a new novel comes out is worth accidentally seeing spoilers that might ruin any surprises the book has in it. For those who have difficulty enjoying a book after the ending has been revealed, I'd suggest avoiding message boards like this until you've had a chance to read the book.

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I agree with both of you. The other day I realized I overreacted to the Bacco is dead thing and said it ruined the book for me before I read it. That was a bit over the top. In my defense I had been up for 36 hours after dealing with a family emergency the night before, but I really should have thought twice before hitting submit reply.

Actually, I come to review threads with spoilers on purpose, to get a feel for what other people think of the book before I read it, and understand that I will learn things about the book that will surprise me or bum me out. But that's the risk I take. I'm just sorry I overreacted that particular day.
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Old September 1 2013, 10:52 PM   #110
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Halliwell wrote: View Post
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As for the revelation about a central event... Look if you care that much if spoilers bother you that much than they do, but frankly some of you carry on to a degree that I personally find a little ridiculous. It would be like finding out that if you follow a certain road at the end is San Francisco and proclaiming that the whole trip is now ruined.

The most extreme example in my opinion are people over in Wholand who got pissed off because people didn't spoiler code the HUGE FUCKING PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT about who will be playing the next Doctor. Bottom line if you are really that spoiler adverse I'd advise pretty much staying the fuck off the internet because spoilers not only live here but they breed with a rapidity rivaled only by Tribbles.
Well said and captures my feelings precisely. As I said earlier, I wish people would be more careful about using the spoiler tags. But everyone makes mistakes or forgets from time to time. It's up to all of us to think for ourselves and decide if visiting the site after a new novel comes out is worth accidentally seeing spoilers that might ruin any surprises the book has in it. For those who have difficulty enjoying a book after the ending has been revealed, I'd suggest avoiding message boards like this until you've had a chance to read the book.

--Sran
I agree with both of you. The other day I realized I overreacted to the Bacco is dead thing and said it ruined the book for me before I read it. That was a bit over the top. In my defense I had been up for 36 hours after dealing with a family emergency the night before, but I really should have thought twice before hitting submit reply.

Actually, I come to review threads with spoilers on purpose, to get a feel for what other people think of the book before I read it, and understand that I will learn things about the book that will surprise me or bum me out. But that's the risk I take. I'm just sorry I overreacted that particular day.
No worries. We all have moments where we react more strongly than the situation warrants. And honestly my impression of the spoiler of that particular tid bit was that they were kind of doing it just to do it, not in the context of actually saying anything meaningful about the development which I personally think is in poor taste.
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Old September 2 2013, 04:31 AM   #111
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Re: TF: Revelation and Dust by DRGIII Review Thread (Spoilers!)

OK, I have not read anything in this thread yet. I will, but not right now. Having recently finished this, for the moment, I cannot offer any intellectual response to the book. My only response for now is:

[curls fingers into shaking fist]
[looks up to the heavens, lips twisted in rage]

GEOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRGE!!!!!!!!!

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Old September 2 2013, 05:45 PM   #112
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Average.

I really enjoyed the DS9 story, but my enjoyment was brought to a screaming halt every other chapter by the Kira/Keev storyline. I had no interest or no real understanding of it even in it's resolution, which I just found confusing. The whole book reminded me of Spock's World, where two completely different stories were told, and were out of kilter with each other. If I read Spock's World I just skip the historic chapters. If I read this again, I'll do the same as they added nothing for me.
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Old September 2 2013, 08:48 PM   #113
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Re: TF: Revelation and Dust by DRGIII Review Thread (Spoilers!)

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Average.

I really enjoyed the DS9 story, but my enjoyment was brought to a screaming halt every other chapter by the Kira/Keev storyline. I had no interest or no real understanding of it even in it's resolution, which I just found confusing. The whole book reminded me of Spock's World, where two completely different stories were told, and were out of kilter with each other. If I read Spock's World I just skip the historic chapters. If I read this again, I'll do the same as they added nothing for me.
I don't get that at all. The historic chapters were the best parts of Spock's World, and the historic chapters of Revelation and Dust struck me as both well-written and as an obvious set-up for future Kira plot developments.
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Old September 2 2013, 09:03 PM   #114
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an obvious set-up for future Kira plot developments.
THIS!!! A HUNDRED TIMES THIS!!!!!!

I've mentioned this before, but this novel is basicly RBoE, it's a setup for more. It's like a two-parter on the tv-shows. Part 1 might not impress or make a lot of sense. But watching both episodes back to back, things become clear. I have a feeling that a lot of the things set in the 'past' will make much more sense when this story is continued/concluded.
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Old September 2 2013, 11:01 PM   #115
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an obvious set-up for future Kira plot developments.
THIS!!! A HUNDRED TIMES THIS!!!!!!

I've mentioned this before, but this novel is basicly RBoE, it's a setup for more. It's like a two-parter on the tv-shows. Part 1 might not impress or make a lot of sense. But watching both episodes back to back, things become clear. I have a feeling that a lot of the things set in the 'past' will make much more sense when this story is continued/concluded.
I somewhat agree with you. I just hope part two, using your analogy, is written by someone like David Mack. His energy is exactly what is needed for the next phase of this story.

We need a Way Of The Warrior kind of treatment, not Encounter At Farpoint.
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Old September 3 2013, 12:10 AM   #116
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Average.

I really enjoyed the DS9 story, but my enjoyment was brought to a screaming halt every other chapter by the Kira/Keev storyline. I had no interest or no real understanding of it even in it's resolution, which I just found confusing. The whole book reminded me of Spock's World, where two completely different stories were told, and were out of kilter with each other. If I read Spock's World I just skip the historic chapters. If I read this again, I'll do the same as they added nothing for me.
I don't get that at all. The historic chapters were the best parts of Spock's World, and the historic chapters of Revelation and Dust struck me as both well-written and as an obvious set-up for future Kira plot developments.
I guess I like my novels a little more self contained. I laboured through the Kira bits only to see no real payoff apart from setting up future developments. Maybe I'll re-appraise the novel when The Fall is complete. I liked the DS9 parts even though the assassination obviously seemed like a frame job, and to me the discovery at the end felt like it could also be a stitch up. I'm sure the Cardassians will be involved somehow.
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Old September 3 2013, 05:36 AM   #117
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Average.

I really enjoyed the DS9 story, but my enjoyment was brought to a screaming halt every other chapter by the Kira/Keev storyline. I had no interest or no real understanding of it even in it's resolution, which I just found confusing. The whole book reminded me of Spock's World, where two completely different stories were told, and were out of kilter with each other. If I read Spock's World I just skip the historic chapters. If I read this again, I'll do the same as they added nothing for me.
I don't get that at all. The historic chapters were the best parts of Spock's World, and the historic chapters of Revelation and Dust struck me as both well-written and as an obvious set-up for future Kira plot developments.
I haven't read R&D yet, but I felt the same way about Spock's World. I thought the present story was good, but I the history chapters were awesome.
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Old September 3 2013, 08:42 AM   #118
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Sci wrote: View Post
an obvious set-up for future Kira plot developments.
THIS!!! A HUNDRED TIMES THIS!!!!!!

I've mentioned this before, but this novel is basicly RBoE, it's a setup for more. It's like a two-parter on the tv-shows. Part 1 might not impress or make a lot of sense. But watching both episodes back to back, things become clear. I have a feeling that a lot of the things set in the 'past' will make much more sense when this story is continued/concluded.
Maybe - as I mentioned in my comments the twist at the end with who shows up on DS9 makes the Kira story a little more vital in terms of the overall storyline but that won't change the fact I didn't it find it that interesting and although not badly written it was very bland and there are many better books out there if you want to read about resistance movements and the like. With RBOE I thought the story was still interesting and well told despite what was done to Sisko so it isn't quite the same thing.
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Old September 3 2013, 11:02 AM   #119
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First, I should just note that I used the spoiler tag earlier in the thread because the book release was still rolling. I felt I wanted to give it a little time before diving into the big event in the novel, but the spoiler warning in the thread title should make things pretty clear.

Now, as to who may have done it:
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Old September 3 2013, 03:12 PM   #120
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I just finished this book yesterday, and, per my usual policy, I stayed out of this review thread until then. Glad I did. I have no problems with the discussion of Nan Bacco's death in this thread, but I'm glad I didn't find out ahead of time. I haven't felt that sucker-punched by any novel since the Red Wedding in A Storm of Swords. I mean that in a good way - I wouldn't have felt that way if I hadn't grown to care about Nan Bacco after everything she's been through. The final few pages of the book were also a couple of major plot-twists that I did not see coming at all, and I am already dying to see what happens next. I didn't quite feel I could give this book an "Outstanding" because I felt the Keev chapters were kind of dull, but other than that I enjoyed the book very much.
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