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Old August 29 2013, 05:49 PM   #16
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Re: Any mixed feelings about the transporter?

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It would have made "The Enemy Within" about a two-minute long episode, though.
Hahahahaha Tru dat!!!
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Old August 29 2013, 06:06 PM   #17
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Re: Any mixed feelings about the transporter?

Admittedly, for an enhanced "Hornblower Effect" regular shuttle departures and arrivals would have added a maritime touch to the show, and had they constructed the scripts to have the shuttle's travel time match a commercial break / slot events would have occurred in real time.

But from a practical point of view you would have just seen people entering or exiting a prop (shuttlecraft) with no funky special effects involved. I'm afraid that would have rather gotten stale over extended periods of time.

The transporter room was a unique trademark of Star Trek and I think audiences quickly got the feel that once our protagonists embarked the transport chamber they were going somewhere (in real time).
On the bright side the shuttlebay scenes became a special and rare event to be appreciated.

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Old August 30 2013, 05:56 AM   #18
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Re: Any mixed feelings about the transporter?

I agree it was too convenient, except when they had to come up with some silly reason why it wasn't so they could make the plot work. What probably bugged me most was the transporter room. Why even have it? You don't have to either start or end there? Why not just beam from wherever you are to wherever you are going?
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Old August 30 2013, 03:15 PM   #19
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Re: Any mixed feelings about the transporter?

In TOS, you absolutely had to be there for at least one end of the trip. We see this in "Cloud Minders": Kirk's crew kidnaps Plasus from his dwellings and moves him to the Troglyte mines, but the hapless High Advisor had to be briefly materialized on the transporter platform in between.

Probably in TNG, the ability to beam "site-to-site" still stretches the resources of the transporter somewhat, and 90% of beamings benefit from the use of the platforms.

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Old August 30 2013, 04:13 PM   #20
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In TOS, you absolutely had to be there for at least one end of the trip. We see this in "Cloud Minders": Kirk's crew kidnaps Plasus from his dwellings and moves him to the Troglyte mines, but the hapless High Advisor had to be briefly materialized on the transporter platform in between.
True.

Probably in TNG, the ability to beam "site-to-site" still stretches the resources of the transporter somewhat, and 90% of beamings benefit from the use of the platforms.
This is the most likely explanation. I always thought it was cool when they used the site to site transport.
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Old August 30 2013, 04:27 PM   #21
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I try not to watch TNG with my father anymore, because every time they use sit-to-site beaming, he goes on a huge rant on why they even need transporter rooms, and I can't hear what's going on in the episode.....
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Old September 1 2013, 04:11 AM   #22
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Re: Any mixed feelings about the transporter?

I wish they'd left it out of ENT entirely, but the transporter was just fine as used on TOS.

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And with hiking gear, hovercycles or a tank division, if mobility were needed and the mothership had to depart.
The Enterprise carried tank divisions...?
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Old September 1 2013, 04:49 AM   #23
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I wish they'd left it out of ENT entirely, but the transporter was just fine as used on TOS.

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And with hiking gear, hovercycles or a tank division, if mobility were needed and the mothership had to depart.
The Enterprise carried tank divisions...?
Well not a full division--closer to a tank battalion.
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Old September 1 2013, 02:15 PM   #24
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I wish they'd left it out of ENT entirely, but the transporter was just fine as used on TOS.

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And with hiking gear, hovercycles or a tank division, if mobility were needed and the mothership had to depart.
The Enterprise carried tank divisions...?
Well not a full division--closer to a tank battalion.
I did not know that, but I missed a lot of the Enterprise series.
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Old September 1 2013, 03:22 PM   #25
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^I thought we were talking TOS, and I think Timo was pulling tank divisions out of his...stern section.
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Old September 1 2013, 04:11 PM   #26
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Well, if need be, this ~200-vehicle formation could probably be accommodated aboard Kirk's ship, at least provided her holds were as ample as later shown in ST:TMP:

http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/ima...ision-camp.jpg

Although probably a future armored formation would be much smaller in terms of the number of vehicles and personnel.

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Old September 1 2013, 07:41 PM   #27
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^I think you might be overestimating the size of those holds, though maybe if they had some kind of rack system for stacking them vertically.

But my point is that I don't think we've ever seen anything regarding Federation starships being used as armored cavalry carriers...we don't even know that such war machines are typically employed by starfaring races in Trek. It's all a bit out of left field.
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Old September 2 2013, 03:32 AM   #28
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Re: Any mixed feelings about the transporter?

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I try not to watch TNG with my father anymore, because every time they use sit-to-site beaming, he goes on a huge rant on why they even need transporter rooms, and I can't hear what's going on in the episode.....
Sounds like a good time!

Transporters among other things, make Trek unique.
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Old September 2 2013, 03:49 AM   #29
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Re: Any mixed feelings about the transporter?

I certainly wasn't suggesting eliminating the transporter as a plot device.

I was suggesting alternating times when it and the shuttle would be used.

Use the transporter to beam into the tunnels of Janus VI and the tunnels of Exo III and when covertly entering into Vanna's cell in "Cloud..." and when beaming to a pre-warp culture and not wanting to have a 24 foot piece of evidence for the natives to find.....

But use the shuttle more often when doing a survey of an uncharted vacant planet or when you might have to leave the crew behind or when you want the landing party to have a base with a lot of supplies.

Or course you could beam down supplies, but this is drama and having shuttle base of operations breaks the pattern of every episode just having 3-5 people in t-shirts and phasers bean down to explore a world.

The transporter was so ubiquitous it seemed more safe than an elevator ride and more common than the cool tech is should have been.

By the end of the series they didn't even show the big 3 on the bridge discussing the mission they just had a Kirk V.O. and them beaming down. That's okay for some situations but sometimes the set-up/trip is in itself a chance for interesting drama.
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Old September 2 2013, 03:53 AM   #30
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^I thought we were talking TOS, and I think Timo was pulling tank divisions out of his...stern section.
Also known as, aft torpedo bay.
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