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View Poll Results: Rate Revelation and Dust.
Outstanding 29 25.89%
Above Average 45 40.18%
Average 25 22.32%
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Old August 31 2013, 05:43 PM   #76
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Bacco seems to have collected on the bad karma she's been collecting since she turned a blind eye to the coup by Picard and the others and the murder of Min Zife. I, for one, am glad to see that payback. I liked the character but she had to answer for ignoring the evidence and her own doubts about what happened to her predecessor. Now we just need to see the truth fully come out. Picard, Ross and the others need to answer for their crimes.
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Old August 31 2013, 06:06 PM   #77
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Bacco seems to have collected on the bad karma she's been collecting since she turned a blind eye to the coup by Picard and the others and the murder of Min Zife. I, for one, am glad to see that payback. I liked the character but she had to answer for ignoring the evidence and her own doubts about what happened to her predecessor. Now we just need to see the truth fully come out. Picard, Ross and the others need to answer for their crimes.
If you think this has the slightest chance of happening, you're dreaming.

Far more likely, this being an event book, something that shook the status quo had to happen.
And Bacco was K. DeCandido's creation. Given his fall from grace with TPTB of the trek lit line, eliminating the character was an easy pick (previously, writers were instructed to close his plot-lines expeditiously or simply ignore his books).
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Old August 31 2013, 06:12 PM   #78
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Going to ignore that comment about Keith for the moment. The novelists' community is close enough that I might be inclined to believe that some of the people working on The Fall would run this past Keith privately beforehand.

Back to the main plotlines and characters, to ask this question: What of reporter Ozla Graniv?

She let herself be talked into sitting on the evidence she'd accumulated regarding Min Zife in return for Ross' retirement, and never pursued the investigation past Ross himself. In part because she feared the consequences to the Federation and Klingon Empire alike.
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Old August 31 2013, 06:25 PM   #79
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So the question is: Whodunit?
Given the title of this novel series, it wouldn't surprise me if it were a character who's near and dear to many of us. I don't have anyone specific in mind, but I can't shake the feeling a number of us are going to be heartbroken when it's revealed who the assassin is.

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Old August 31 2013, 06:33 PM   #80
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So the question is: Whodunit? The reference to the new Federation Councillor from Bajor -- now President Pro Tempore -- having maneuvered Councillor Krim out of the way made me suspicious. I gotta wonder if there's something more going on than just more wacky Tzenkethi hijinks.
I was also suspicious of First Minister Asarem's very excellent speech, that conveniently took place right before her aide allegedly assassinated Bacco.
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Old August 31 2013, 06:46 PM   #81
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So, the Federation President is dead and Picard keeps thinking about leaving the Enterprise.

I know who I'd vote for.
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Old August 31 2013, 06:50 PM   #82
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So the question is: Whodunit? The reference to the new Federation Councillor from Bajor -- now President Pro Tempore -- having maneuvered Councillor Krim out of the way made me suspicious. I gotta wonder if there's something more going on than just more wacky Tzenkethi hijinks.
I was also suspicious of First Minister Asarem's very excellent speech, that conveniently took place right before her aide allegedly assassinated Bacco.
I'm not. We've seen inside Asarem's head before; she has been a POV character, which means we, as the audience, know what's in her soul. She doesn't have it in her for something like this.

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Going to ignore that comment about Keith for the moment. The novelists' community is close enough that I might be inclined to believe that some of the people working on The Fall would run this past Keith privately beforehand.
Indeed, KRAD is thanked in the acknowledgments for his assistance to DRGIII in writing Revelation and Dust. The idea that this is all "punishment" against KRAD is just silly.

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Bacco seems to have collected on the bad karma she's been collecting since she turned a blind eye to the coup by Picard and the others and the murder of Min Zife. I, for one, am glad to see that payback.
So she deserved to die? Christ, man. No one deserves that. And the Federation certainly didn't deserve the trauma of seeing its president assassinated.

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I've never been keen - she just seems to be a string of platitudes
*shrugs* All I can tell you is that she has always seemed like a very vividly-drawn, three-dimensional person to me. And it made sense to me that she would be, since KRAD based her in part on his great-grandmother.
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Old August 31 2013, 06:58 PM   #83
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Indeed, KRAD is thanked in the acknowledgments for his assistance to DRGIII in writing Revelation and Dust. The idea that this is all "punishment" against KRAD is just silly.
KRAD was thanked previously. While his books were being ignored/at best, swiftly neutered at the request of TPTB.
You're letting wishful thinking colour your perception.
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Old August 31 2013, 07:03 PM   #84
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Indeed, KRAD is thanked in the acknowledgments for his assistance to DRGIII in writing Revelation and Dust. The idea that this is all "punishment" against KRAD is just silly.
KRAD was thanked previously. While his books were being ignored/at best, swiftly neutered at the request of TPTB.
You're letting wishful thinking colour your perception.
I like how you're coming up with conspiracy theories about TPTB wanting to destroy KRAD's very Treklit legacy, but you're calling someone else out for wishful thinking.
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Old August 31 2013, 07:07 PM   #85
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Indeed, KRAD is thanked in the acknowledgments for his assistance to DRGIII in writing Revelation and Dust. The idea that this is all "punishment" against KRAD is just silly.
KRAD was thanked previously. While his books were being ignored/at best, swiftly neutered at the request of TPTB.
You're letting wishful thinking colour your perception.
I like how you're coming up with conspiracy theories about TPTB wanting to destroy KRAD's very Treklit legacy, but you're calling someone else out for wishful thinking.
Do a search on this subforum about the new editor for trek lit and KRAD or D. Mcintee. You should really do your homework before talking about conspiracy theories.
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Old August 31 2013, 07:09 PM   #86
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Indeed, KRAD is thanked in the acknowledgments for his assistance to DRGIII in writing Revelation and Dust. The idea that this is all "punishment" against KRAD is just silly.
KRAD was thanked previously. While his books were being ignored/at best, swiftly neutered at the request of TPTB.
You're letting wishful thinking colour your perception.
In what sense were his books being "ignored" or "neutered?" Which books were so "ignored" and "neutered?"

His last ST book, A Singular Destiny, featured President Bacco and introduced the Typhon Pact, which he co-created with Marco Palmieri. President Bacco has since appeared in twelve books that I know of; the Typhon Pact has literally had its own series of novels encompassing eight titles. The governmental system KRAD designed for Articles of the Federation has been featured in numerous books published since A Singular Destiny, from Christopher's DTI: Watching the Clock and DTI: Forgotten History, to the numerous DRGIII DSN novels. And now, of course, one of KRAD's most important characters has become in death the apparent centerpiece of the entire Fall miniseries, and the constitutional processes KRAD developed for how the Federation government functions promises to play a huge role in subsequent novels.

If they're trying to retcon KRAD's books out of continuity, they're not doing a very good job of it.
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Sci, see my post above.
The issue was already talked about extensively here. By now, you seem to have conveniently 'forgotten' about it, though.
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Old August 31 2013, 07:47 PM   #88
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Sci, see my post above.
The issue was already talked about extensively here. By now, you seem to have conveniently 'forgotten' about it, though.
I recall this thread in which both KRAD and Lonemagpie assert that it's nothing so dramatic as an author blacklist, just editors' preferences on who they want to work with.

And this thread, where it came out that because of the editorial office's ongoing chaos during their bouts of staff turnover, they did a poor job communicating continuity requirements to Lonemagpie, resulting in a plot that the remaining editors later decided not to try to reconcile with other books but to instead place in its own continuity.

It's unfortunate the that happened to Indistinguishable From Magic, but I've seen no evidence that any of KRAD's books have been retconned or "nullified." On the contrary, KRAD's books, characters, and concepts have continued to have important influence on and play important roles in subsequent books, and show all indications that they will continue to do so.

The idea that Ed Schlesinger is twirling his handlebar mustache while plotting ways to make KRAD's work disappear -- perhaps while tying Nell Fenwick to the railroad tracks? -- is just silly.
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Do a search on this subforum about the new editor for trek lit and KRAD or D. Mcintee. You should really do your homework before talking about conspiracy theories.
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The issue was already talked about extensively here. By now, you seem to have conveniently 'forgotten' about it, though.
I'd like some links to the threads that have apparently 'talked about [this] extensively', but I don't recall seeing any. And I lurk here far, far more often than I post, so.
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Old August 31 2013, 09:25 PM   #90
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About a third in. Kira's section seem tedious. Fairly slow in other sections but perhaps a large time gap can explain some of it.
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