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Old August 28 2013, 10:57 PM   #16
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I think a lot of people are sometimes cynical about Mr. Jefferies' genius, simply because they think that the sands of time have puffed his talents up as they have some others, but I couldn't disagree more. His thoroughness and common sense approach to the design work on Star Trek IMO is what helped set it apart, and helped the design concepts stand the test of time.
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Old August 28 2013, 11:04 PM   #17
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His thoroughness and common sense approach to the design work on Star Trek IMO is what helped set it apart, and helped the design concepts stand the test of time.
Indeed. I couldn't agree more.
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Old August 29 2013, 01:19 AM   #18
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. . . I'm still in the dark whether Doug Drexler's Star Trek Posterbook article, where "Hornblower Effect" popped up, was an actual Jefferies quote or a personal conclusion of Mr. Drexler (apparently he did interview him at some time when he asked Jefferies about the location of engineering...).
Yes, that Star Trek Giant Poster Book article was my source for stating that Jefferies consciously incorporated the "Hornblower Effect" into the design of the Enterprise. Unfortunately, I no longer have my copy of that issue. I didn't know that Doug Drexler wrote that piece -- not that his name would have meant anything to me back in the '70s!
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Old August 29 2013, 02:55 AM   #19
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His thoroughness and common sense approach to the design work on Star Trek IMO is what helped set it apart, and helped the design concepts stand the test of time.
Indeed. I couldn't agree more.
Seconded.

On the Doug Drexler note, Doug is a huge fan of MJ's work and eventually became friends with him.
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Old August 29 2013, 03:46 AM   #20
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I think Jefferies well understood the requirements of designing a set for film or television, but he managed to design things that managed to transcend those limitations.
I couldn't agree more. His work was light-years (pun intended) ahead of the science fiction of the day and set a tone that still inspires to this day. Forget the details, the Enterprise in the JJ Abrams movies is Jefferies', as is every starship ever made for Trek that used the saucer & tubes design that he established.

The phaser, Klingon ship and more all reflect his outside-of-the-box thinking. Look at the Botany Bay – totally unlike anything else ever shown before, and even unlike his other ship designs.

I recently re-read the TOS Sketchbook which features lots of his sketches. He was in a league of his own. "Genius" is not an overstatement when it came to his work. Too bad he was never given an opportunity outside of Star Trek to create even more cool stuff.
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Old August 29 2013, 01:19 PM   #21
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Too bad he was never given an opportunity outside of Star Trek to create even more cool stuff.
It may be a case of quibbling over definitions, but I believe I can site at least one example when he did.

The Leif Ericson Galactic Cruiser, later repackaged in "glow in the dark" plastic as the Interplanetary U.F.O., was an "original" plastic assembly model kit released by AMT. The company commissioned Jefferies to design that craft. It was supposed to be the first in a series of space opera type kits that AMT would own entirely. The kit company would not need to pay royalties.

Alas, the kit did not sell as well (during its first release) as AMT had hoped, so no more kits were released. It's possible someone at AMT kept other doodles Jefferies drew, but nothing else was officially negotiated.

Ironically, when reissued as the UFO, its image was often printed upon the boxes of Trek prints and its last box art design matched the scheme of the Trek kits. Some kids (well, I did, anyway) used it to represent an alien craft the Enterprise might encounter.

But, yeah, Jefferies did do some SF designs outside of Trek, though that particular instance got unofficially "assimilated" later.

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Old August 29 2013, 10:32 PM   #22
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Look at the Botany Bay – totally unlike anything else ever shown before, and even unlike his other ship designs.
I wanted to single this out because of the thought that went into the arrangement of the crates on the ship. I think it's worth noting that he actually thought out how the units would work, giving the form a true function, rather than just designing something for pure aesthetics.
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Look at the Botany Bay – totally unlike anything else ever shown before, and even unlike his other ship designs.
I wanted to single this out because of the thought that went into the arrangement of the crates on the ship. I think it's worth noting that he actually thought out how the units would work, giving the form a true function, rather than just designing something for pure aesthetics.
I never really noticed that before. I'll have to pay special attention the next time I watch that episode.
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Old August 29 2013, 11:07 PM   #24
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Well, you have to kind of look at how they're arranged versus his concept diagrams. Basically they're either fuel or cargo units of some sort, and could be arranged around the spine of the ship in larger amounts. It would seem the Botany Bay ejected some of hers for whatever reason, at some point.
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Well, you have to kind of look at how they're arranged versus his concept diagrams. Basically they're either fuel or cargo units of some sort, and could be arranged around the spine of the ship in larger amounts. It would seem the Botany Bay ejected some of hers for whatever reason, at some point.
I was under the impression that ships of the Botany Bay's class were designed to carry up to 16 of the wedge-shaped cargo/passenger modules, but only five were needed for Khan and his people.

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You're probably right. I was unclear whether they were actually cargo or fuel pods. I think someone interpreted them as fuel pods that were dropped along the journey.
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Too bad he was never given an opportunity outside of Star Trek to create even more cool stuff.
It may be a case of quibbling over definitions, but I believe I can site at least one example when he did.

The Leif Ericson Galactic Cruiser, later repackaged in "glow in the dark" plastic as the Interplanetary U.F.O., was an "original" plastic assembly model kit released by AMT. The company commissioned Jefferies to design that craft. It was supposed to be the first in a series of space opera type kits that AMT would own entirely. The kit company would not need to pay royalties.

Alas, the kit did not sell as well (during its first release) as AMT had hoped, so no more kits were released. It's possible someone at AMT kept other doodles Jefferies drew, but nothing else was officially negotiated.

Ironically, when reissued as the UFO, its image was often printed upon the boxes of Trek prints and its last box art design matched the scheme of the Trek kits. Some kids (well, I did, anyway) used it to represent an alien craft the Enterprise might encounter.

But, yeah, Jefferies did do some SF designs outside of Trek, though that particular instance got unofficially "assimilated" later.

Sincerely,

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The Leif was used in some storyboards for TAS though it never made the final animation cut...

http://www.projectrho.com/SSC/model.html
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The Leif was used in some storyboards for TAS though it never made the final animation cut...

http://www.projectrho.com/SSC/model.html
Not seeing any storyboards there.
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But, yeah, Jefferies did do some SF designs outside of Trek, though that particular instance got unofficially "assimilated" later.
I agree – I owned the "UFO Mystery Ship" version. But I was thinking in larger terms. He helped to visually create an IP that has stood the test of time – almost half a century! I can only imagine what he might have come up with if he had been set free on another project the size of Star Trek.

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You're probably right. I was unclear whether they were actually cargo or fuel pods. I think someone interpreted them as fuel pods that were dropped along the journey.
Whatever they were, MJ's sketches show that they were modules and there could be more than we saw on screen. It's that level of design and execution that made Jefferies' work so memorable. Form was built on (fictional) function.
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Thank you - that's the point I was trying to make, but you stated it a bit more succinctly.
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