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Old August 26 2013, 03:43 AM   #7171
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He used to be, anyway. Does he really have a connection with the greater DCU anymore? Was he ever a part of the Teen Titans?
Dick in the new 52 seems to be only connected with Batman. He was approached to join the League, but did not. He is not connected to any of the Titans characters (Cyborg, Starfire, Beast Boy, and Raven have never been Titans it seems; Wally and Donna don't exist). He never had his Outsiders. The most he could have done was have a few adventures with other heroes during his "brief" stint as Robin.
This gets at what something important the New 52 has lost -- or rather, never had.

The original Dick Grayson was Robin from eight until his early twenties. He grew up as a superhero. He was friends with everyone in a cape, cowl, or mask. Everyone knew him, everyone respected him, and he could relate to everyone. Being a superhero was the only thing he ever knew, really. And because of who he was and who he knew, that made him the emotional center of the DC Universe.

The New 52 Dick Grayson is just another vigilante in a mask. He lost his parents in his late teens, he worked as Robin for a year, changed to Nightwing, had a brief tenure as Batman. There's nothing special about the New 52 Dick Grayson. He's just another mask.
Another thing I was thinking about today was that Dick was the bridge between the older and younger generations. The older heroes had seen him grow up into a young man and respected him as such. The younger heroes looked up to him as a mentor and a leader. It wasn't just Dick that was lost by the reboot but the new generation of "legacy" heroes that DC had done a great job of developing over the previous fifteen years or so.
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Old August 26 2013, 09:17 PM   #7172
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This is interesting...has Scott Lobdell been taken off or left "Superman"?

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/08/...-off-superman/
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Old August 26 2013, 09:20 PM   #7173
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Great news if true.
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Old August 26 2013, 09:47 PM   #7174
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Perhaps DC is paving the way for the rumoured arrival of John Jr and Mike Johnson is doing fill in work?
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Old August 26 2013, 10:42 PM   #7175
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He used to be, anyway. Does he really have a connection with the greater DCU anymore? Was he ever a part of the Teen Titans?
Dick in the new 52 seems to be only connected with Batman. He was approached to join the League, but did not. He is not connected to any of the Titans characters (Cyborg, Starfire, Beast Boy, and Raven have never been Titans it seems; Wally and Donna don't exist). He never had his Outsiders. The most he could have done was have a few adventures with other heroes during his "brief" stint as Robin.
This gets at what something important the New 52 has lost -- or rather, never had.

The original Dick Grayson was Robin from eight until his early twenties. He grew up as a superhero. He was friends with everyone in a cape, cowl, or mask. Everyone knew him, everyone respected him, and he could relate to everyone. Being a superhero was the only thing he ever knew, really. And because of who he was and who he knew, that made him the emotional center of the DC Universe.

The New 52 Dick Grayson is just another vigilante in a mask. He lost his parents in his late teens, he worked as Robin for a year, changed to Nightwing, had a brief tenure as Batman. There's nothing special about the New 52 Dick Grayson. He's just another mask.
Exactly, this event just exposes another of the myriad of issues with the nu52.
The editors and PTB want the character and his role in this story to happen with the stated reason of him being the "heart and soul" of things but the reality is not in this version of the universe. They are addressing the Dick Grayson of yesteryear, playing to our recollections of what was, not what is within the nu52. I guess it's possible the lines are so blurred they don't even realize that's what they are doing.
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Old August 28 2013, 02:00 AM   #7176
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Absolutely loved "Wonder Woman #23" from last week. Love everything Azzy is doing in this book, and I've talked about Cliff Chiang's art before and am running out of things to say about it.
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Old August 28 2013, 02:19 AM   #7177
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Because I was barely paying attention, and Captain Atom was fucking unreadable... Can some one explain Nathan's timeline how that he's also a 31st century timecop as well as a 21st century super hero?
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Old August 28 2013, 03:54 AM   #7178
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Absolutely loved "Wonder Woman #23" from last week. Love everything Azzy is doing in this art and I've talked about Cliff Chiang's art before and am running out of things to say about it.
I thought he really managed to do something unique with his version of Ares. He made him unique, but also something sympathetic without trying to whitewash what he was. Of course there is a lot of influences in regards from Gaiman's Endless here.

Also WW related, but Morrison in Kevin Smith's Batman Podcast laid out how he is going to approach his Earth One Wonder Woman, which is back to basics of the original Marston run.
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Old August 28 2013, 04:27 AM   #7179
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Absolutely loved "Wonder Woman #23" from last week. Love everything Azzy is doing in this art and I've talked about Cliff Chiang's art before and am running out of things to say about it.
I thought he really managed to do something unique with his version of Ares. He made him unique, but also something sympathetic without trying to whitewash what he was. Of course there is a lot of influences in regards from Gaiman's Endless here.

Also WW related, but Morrison in Kevin Smith's Batman Podcast laid out how he is going to approach his Earth One Wonder Woman, which is back to basics of the original Marston run.
So....bondage?
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Old August 28 2013, 04:34 AM   #7180
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Actually he does mention how chains will be a pervasive element within the Amazon society and he does think the sexual elements played an important part in the original's success.
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Old August 28 2013, 05:06 AM   #7181
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@House of UIster. Agreed about Ares/War. Also loved the line from Hell/Hades saying that Diana would make a great God of War. I'm very much looking forward to reading Morrison's Earth One when it comes out.
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Old August 28 2013, 06:25 AM   #7182
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This is what I like.

Why Diana leaves immortal lesbian Paradise Island?

In the 40s it's Hitler.

In the 80s it's Nuclear Weapons.

Until recently it's been about feminism and peace.

(BORING!)

These days, there is no reason.

She just kills people or/and gods that get in her way while muddling about.
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Old August 29 2013, 09:31 PM   #7183
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Aquaman #23 was good but did not give me all the closure I needed regarding Xebel, Atlantis and Scavenger. What about getting Orm out of prison? Then that ending with Vulko sitting vigil

I had thought this issue would wrap a tad neater going into Villains month. Does this story not wrap till after, it was part 5, but still.
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Old August 29 2013, 10:26 PM   #7184
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So I was listening to "More Morrison" on Fat Man On Batman and Morrison mentions that his Earth One book has a title (or a subtitle) "Wonder Woman: The Trial of Diana Prince" and that he is presenting the book as Diana going through a trial. I'm guessing we won't see this until the Spring or Summer of next year as he also mentions Yannick Paquette has only finished 20 pages of his 120 page script so far.
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That's the artist? That's a shame. I haven't cared for any of the artists on his entire Bat Inc run. He deserves better.
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