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Old August 28 2013, 07:07 PM   #61
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Do not ... EVER ... mention Bat-Mite!
But he just wants to help!
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Old August 28 2013, 07:32 PM   #62
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Re: Who created M'Ress?

Well, he can just help himself into this wood chipper right here. Along with Urko, Fuzz, Peepo and every other annoying comic relief character Filmation blighted us with.

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Old August 28 2013, 07:40 PM   #63
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I wish I could blame Filmation for Scrappy-Doo.
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Old August 28 2013, 07:57 PM   #64
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I forgot where I read it, so I don't have anything to back up my following statements. Just take it for what it's worth.

When developing the initial Scooby concept, several ideas were tossed around. One was that the teens would be musicians, but then considered that might be too much to juggle in the episodes. Later series (not Scooby shows) would employ that bit after all. Of greater import would be the role of the dog. One idea was to make him large but cowardly, the Scooby we actually got. The other was the opposite, a pocket sized mutt that wouldn't back down, basically Scrappy.

Funny how all those ideas wound up being used one way or another.

For all its debated faults, at least the animated Trek did NOT force a cute mascot comic relief character upon us. If that had happened, I don't think there'd be ANY debate whether or not Kirk and company had those missions! Fans would demand the master negatives be burned!

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Old August 28 2013, 08:24 PM   #65
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For all its debated faults, at least the animated Trek did NOT force a cute mascot comic relief character upon us. If that had happened, I don't think there'd be ANY debate whether or not Kirk and company had those missions! Fans would demand the master negatives be burned!
^ Amen.

As annoying as Scrappy is on his own, the worst thing about him is what he does to the concept of Scooby (and this is true of Scooby-Dum and Scooby-Dee as well). Instead of a remarkable quasi-talking dog, Scooby-Doo becomes a talking dog with a speech impediment.

Sorry for the topic drift. (corrects course)
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Old August 28 2013, 08:47 PM   #66
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For all its debated faults, at least the animated Trek did NOT force a cute mascot comic relief character upon us. If that had happened, I don't think there'd be ANY debate whether or not Kirk and company had those missions! Fans would demand the master negatives be burned!
Then how do you explain Wesley Crusher?

(Sorry... couldn't resist the cheap shot.)

For that matter, Chekov was kind of a cute mascot comic relief character himself....
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Old August 28 2013, 08:53 PM   #67
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No need to apologize. I mucked with the rudder nyself and I started the thread.

Back to the topic of "who created M'Ress," it was suggested Dorothy Fontana would be the best source for that potential information. Alas (and understandably) the more direct lines of communication such as an e-mail, FaceBook or Twitter type account seems to be lacking. So posing the question directly to her will be a challenge. (I will admit I have not dug too deep into the matter.) I think one first has to have an account with the Internet Movie DataBase and through it one can obtain a link with a university with which she is affiliated.

Hmm, Alan Dean Foster... I wonder if he can be more readily reached? After all, he novelized the episodes. In theory, one can at least ask him if he made up her family members or if he worked from information already written within a "series bible".

I think I'll see if he has a site e-mail like David Gerrold does.

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Old August 28 2013, 11:28 PM   #68
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For all its debated faults, at least the animated Trek did NOT force a cute mascot comic relief character upon us. If that had happened, I don't think there'd be ANY debate whether or not Kirk and company had those missions! Fans would demand the master negatives be burned!
I would have been one of them. I hated all those mascot character in cartoons even as a child and would not watch any of them.
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Old August 29 2013, 01:17 AM   #69
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Fine, she's a cute girl in a cat-suit. We all like those, of course. But Arex was an actual alien-looking alien. Or at least more so than we usually saw amongst Starfleet personnel. That's gotta count for something, right?
One would hope so
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Old August 29 2013, 12:50 PM   #70
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Fine, she's a cute girl in a cat-suit. We all like those, of course. But Arex was an actual alien-looking alien. Or at least more so than we usually saw amongst Starfleet personnel. That's gotta count for something, right?
One would hope so
Well, at least you, or rather, your namesake gets a glorious cameo in the latest "Star Trek: Phase II" production, complete with full body establishing shots and close-ups. He even has the honor of Jimmy Doohan's son voicing him, continuing his father's work.

A future production, may, not will, just may have a shot of Uhura wiping down her station for loose hairs suggesting M'ress was sitting there earlier.

You got a far better tribute.

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Old August 29 2013, 01:04 PM   #71
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The inclusion of the character or species in a later production would have been a thrill TVH did so though not explicitly with the cat aliens in the council scenes
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Old August 29 2013, 01:28 PM   #72
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True, I can't deny that. I was just thinking about relatively current material, be it "official' or "fan created". And in that regard, your namesake still got the better deal. Not just an alien that could...or might not be Edoan. He's irrefutably Edoan and is directly addressed as "Arex". Plus, he got a couple of lines.

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Old August 29 2013, 01:39 PM   #73
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although Arex never appears, "Crier" features a triple-keyboarded musical instrument identified as an "Edoan elisiar."
If you noticed, blond Mr Connors (below left) has seemingly been redrawn. Throughout the comic of "The Crier in Emptiness", he has weird body posture, and its easy to imagine where Arex's extra leg and arm originally were penciled or inked. Check the position of his fingers! Similarly, "Connors" is poorly pasted over a shorter name in the speech balloons.


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Hmm, Alan Dean Foster... I wonder if he can be more readily reached? After all, he novelized the episodes. In theory, one can at least ask him if he made up her family members or if he worked from information already written within a "series bible".
IIRC, ADF is an infrequent visitor here on the BBS. He responded to a question I asked when his novelization for the 2009 Trek movie was published.

http://www.alandeanfoster.com/version2.0/frameset.htm

Email the author at: adf@alandeanfoster.com
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Old August 29 2013, 01:52 PM   #74
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If you noticed, blond Mr Connors (below left) has seemingly been redrawn. Throughout the comic of "The Crier in Emptiness", he has weird body posture, and its easy to imagine where Arex's extra leg and arm originally were penciled or inked. Check the position of his fingers! Similarly, "Connors" is poorly pasted over a shorter name in the speech balloons.

I always wondered why Connors would be in possession of, and able to play, an Edoan instrument. The pasted-over name is further proof of a substitution. I wonder why they were able to use M'Ress but not Arex.
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I wonder why they were able to use M'Ress but not Arex.
Power Records used M'Ress's name and race, but she was drawn as a bluish humanoid (seemingly based upon Marta the green Orion from TOS). Perhaps that audio script had already been recorded?


Passage to Moauv by Therin of Andor, on Flickr

It appears that the problem was with the physical look of the supporting characters of TAS. Perhaps there was too much red tape working out if Filmation would be owed $$$? We also have a blonde, caucasian Uhura and a Sulu with dark skin and an afro hairstyle.
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