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Old August 29 2013, 09:32 AM   #31
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John Snow.

I understand that this is common in the real world too.

Take no shit Women raising the bastard illegitimate spawn of there idiot philandering husbands, as if they were their own.
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Old August 29 2013, 09:38 AM   #32
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She wasn't very nice to Jon Snow. She provided for him but I wouldn't say she raised him, his father was the one that put all the teaching and parenting into him.
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Old August 29 2013, 09:40 AM   #33
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That's my point though, it's the FUTURE, there are holo-nannys. In the books B'Elanna gets a Klingon holo-nanny that can kick ass and read bed time stories. So you should be able to have a kid as a teenager and continue your starfleet career with your kid being cared for at home with the only requirement being home holo-emitters. Which would be very bad if your electricity went off but once again, it's the future. And because everyone is so enlightened no one is going to look down on you because you presumptuously reproduced in youth.

AND! You don't even have to go through the horribleness of pregnancy, you can get the baby beamed out and into a surrogate, maybe even a robotic surrogate that walks around and sneezes and farts and totally simulates growing inside a real human being.
Okay, I'm not a father, so let me see if I understand this:

In the future of Star Trek: The Teacake Generation, the 24th century is a validation of the positive effects of absentee parenting?
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Old August 29 2013, 09:45 AM   #34
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Absolutely. "We work to better ourselves." Notice Picard doesn't say we work to better or benefit others.

And ya know, if you didn't like nannys you could just get a holo-nanny of yourself! And Daddy too! And the kid would be like 10 years old before they realized that the people they spent 95% of their time with were not real.
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Old August 29 2013, 09:51 AM   #35
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While you take oodles of holidays on Risa!
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Old August 29 2013, 09:55 AM   #36
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I felt that "Ourselves" meant the Federation, and to a lesser extent humanity.

Did she raise Theon Greyjoy as her own?



There are several levels of commitment to her parenting.

When the kids were in trouble, it was all completely about how their brother Jon would save them.

That wasn't Catelyn was it?

Emilia Clarke was in Futurama tonight.
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Old August 29 2013, 10:05 AM   #37
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Absolutely. "We work to better ourselves." Notice Picard doesn't say we work to better or benefit others.

And ya know, if you didn't like nannys you could just get a holo-nanny of yourself! And Daddy too! And the kid would be like 10 years old before they realized that the people they spent 95% of their time with were not real.
Holograms were not usable as a servant (slave) class until 2364.

And still that functionality comes into question when you figure how pathetic the super holograms where from before the Bynars did their tinkering... Even if the love sick monkey couldn't get Minuete to be all foxy again.

Of course, anyone who believe in the interconnectedness of all fictional things, has to wonder if there was yet another fantastic leap in Holotechnology after the Moriarty Program was dissected and reduced to a personalitless utility function.

Holonanies are new.

We haven't seen the generation of humans produced by holonanies exit the academy yet.
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Old August 29 2013, 10:05 AM   #38
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^but how is it remotely possible to get pregnant in the 24th century....unless you really want to get pregnant

And so presumably if you want to have a baby, you would want to raise it yourself (especially in a culture where people do things to better themsleves) unless in the future, having children is simply a matter of sustaining a species and that kind of parenting has been abandoned (and people like Tom and B'lana who want to raise a family are actually an anomolous sub culture)

Then again, why would anyone get married, have children in a world of holo-technology...am i the only one that would spend all day in the holosuite with a group of teen vulcans that love anal....maybe the holosuite experience is similar to synth ale though....good but not quite as good as the real thing?...that's never been established though
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Old August 29 2013, 10:09 AM   #39
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This is like how a hundred years ago people opined how we hadn't seen the effects of television as a nanny yet. And now they opine as to how we haven't seen the effects of the plugged into the net babysitting yet.

They'll be fine. They'll be BETTER because the holonannys will make them do stuff their parents programmed them to make the kids do.

As to Catelyn.. her parenting pretty much ends with a male child as soon as he is old enough to train with swords and men. How well she may have loved either young Theon or Jon Snow we don't see, but we do we hear that they were lesser children of the house, and we know she resented Snow.
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Old August 29 2013, 10:12 AM   #40
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^but how is it remotely possible to get pregnant in the 24th century....unless you really want to get pregnant
Sisko and Kasidy had an ACCIDENT!

So, no. Happens.
..am i the only one that would spend all day in the holosuite with a group of teen vulcans that love anal....
This has always been my fondest dream.
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Old August 29 2013, 10:18 AM   #41
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Hux? Why do you want to be buggered by Vulcans?

We learn in DS9 that men and women have an equal responsibility to take a monthly contraceptive shot. If one of them forgets, it's still good, but if they both forget, it's like kicking penalties while the goalie is on smoko.
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Old August 29 2013, 10:21 AM   #42
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hux.

Your avatar has taken on a whole new meaning now.
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. . .Holograms were not usable as a servant (slave) class until 2364. . .Holonanies are new.

We haven't seen the generation of humans produced by holonanies exit the academy yet.
Oddly, ENT showed us holograms, but never androids. We know androids were relatively common in the 23rd century. Why weren't they being used as robonannies?
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Vulcan fisting is unlike human fisting.
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. . .Holograms were not usable as a servant (slave) class until 2364. . .Holonanies are new.

We haven't seen the generation of humans produced by holonanies exit the academy yet.
Oddly, ENT showed us holograms, but never androids. We know androids were relatively common in the 23rd century. Why weren't they being used as robonannies?
Ent showed us aliens who had holograms.

Which is not the same as "humans" having holograms.
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