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Old August 27 2013, 05:18 PM   #16
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Re: 12 Monkeys pilot greenlit by Syfy

Too tame. 12 Sharknadoes, I say!
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Old August 27 2013, 05:38 PM   #17
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Too tame. 12 Sharknadoes, I say!
12 Sharktopusnados or nothing.
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Old August 27 2013, 06:15 PM   #18
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They can't call it 12 Sharknadoes, there will be that many sequels.
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Old August 28 2013, 12:14 AM   #19
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Re: 12 Monkeys pilot greenlit by Syfy

I think it's better to think of this as inspired by 12 Monkeys. The original movie is great (very underrated) and I think it would lose something in episodic form. But the actual basic concept is perfectly fine for a television show and I have no problem with it.
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Old August 29 2013, 12:01 AM   #20
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How is the concept different than the movie?
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Old August 29 2013, 12:08 AM   #21
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I don't think the concept is different, I just think the movie's execution would be difficult to have in television form with an indefinite end date.
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Old August 29 2013, 12:51 AM   #22
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What happened to originality?
Well, in fairness 12 Monkeys is an adaptation of the French short film La Jetee. So something can lack originality and be good.
Rather, it is a complete misunderstanding of the concept to think that "original" means "not based on any preexisting idea." Every story concept is built on earlier ideas to a greater or lesser degree. The originality is in what you do with the concepts. It's not where they come from, it's where you take them.

12 Monkeys was based on an earlier film, but it would be totally wrong to say it lacked originality. Because Terry Gilliam is a very original director, and it's his style and approach that bring originality to the ideas in his films. Lots of Gilliam's films have been either based on or inspired by earlier works. Brazil was overtly inspired by 1984. The Adventures of Baron Munchhausen was based on the tall tales told by the real baron of that name. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas is an adaptation of an autobiographical novel. The Brothers Grimm is loosely based on real historical figures. If you define "original" as "not based on any specific earlier thing," then you'd have to conclude that the majority of Gilliam's oeuvre is unoriginal. But that's clearly a daft conclusion, since he's one of the most original filmmakers of his generation. So that's clearly the wrong way to define originality.

By the same token, whether a 12 Monkeys TV series can work or not isn't about what it's based on or how closely it follows the film. It'll be about the imagination and vision of the people doing the adaptation. And that's the tricky part, because Gilliam's a hard act to follow when it comes to that sort of thing. A series might end up being somewhat more ordinary in tone. Particularly since we've already had a number of TV series or season arcs about characters trying to prevent an apocalyptic future. One would want a 12 Monkeys series to stand out from the pack, at least stylistically, at best conceptually.
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Old August 29 2013, 02:29 AM   #23
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Re: 12 Monkeys pilot greenlit by Syfy

NBC is moving forward on a TV show based on the movie Outbreak.

That seems like an even worse idea to me.
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Old August 29 2013, 02:50 AM   #24
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NBC is moving forward on a TV show based on the movie Outbreak.
I see now that my fears regarding the death of originality were wholly unfounded.
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Old August 29 2013, 04:30 AM   #25
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Particularly since we've already had a number of TV series or season arcs about characters trying to prevent an apocalyptic future. One would want a 12 Monkeys series to stand out from the pack, at least stylistically, at best conceptually.
But in 12 Monkeys, you can't prevent anything, "it already happened." Though they might dilute or abandon that concept; the inevitable demise of five billion people could be considered a downer for TV audiences.
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Old August 29 2013, 04:33 AM   #26
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Particularly since we've already had a number of TV series or season arcs about characters trying to prevent an apocalyptic future. One would want a 12 Monkeys series to stand out from the pack, at least stylistically, at best conceptually.
But in 12 Monkeys, you can't prevent anything, "it already happened." Though they might dilute or abandon that concept; the inevitable demise of five billion people could be considered a downer for TV audiences.
60 billion people died on BSG, so...
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Old August 29 2013, 04:36 AM   #27
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Re: 12 Monkeys pilot greenlit by Syfy

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Particularly since we've already had a number of TV series or season arcs about characters trying to prevent an apocalyptic future. One would want a 12 Monkeys series to stand out from the pack, at least stylistically, at best conceptually.
But in 12 Monkeys, you can't prevent anything, "it already happened." Though they might dilute or abandon that concept; the inevitable demise of five billion people could be considered a downer for TV audiences.
To put it mildly...

If the series introduces a way to change history, I'd be all for that. It always pissed me off that the movie took the easy way out and killed billions of people.
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Old August 29 2013, 04:44 AM   #28
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If the series introduces a way to change history, I'd be all for that. It always pissed me off that the movie took the easy way out and killed billions of people.
Huh. I always felt that changing history was the easy way out.
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Old August 29 2013, 04:50 AM   #29
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Re: 12 Monkeys pilot greenlit by Syfy

To have a tool like time travel and fail to use it - to not even TRY to change history - is a crime, in a way. Especially with so many lives at stake.
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Old August 29 2013, 05:37 AM   #30
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Re: 12 Monkeys pilot greenlit by Syfy

No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no...


NO!

I love the movie and Siffy should keep its fetid hooks off it.
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