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Old July 28 2013, 06:25 AM   #1081
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So glad I waited before buying any of the seasons!
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Old July 28 2013, 02:09 PM   #1082
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I never got around to buying any seasons after the first one, so I'll definitely pick up the complete series set.
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Old July 28 2013, 04:19 PM   #1083
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I don't think Disney, Lucas, JJ Abrams, or anyone else who has any actually say with Star Wars at this point really gives two craps about the EU stuff.

And lets be honest since Episode III didn't go on an hour tangent about Order 66, thats probably where everything you are worried about being contradicted came from.
No, I'm worried that Filoni & Co. completely missed the point of AOTC and are therefore promoting a version of Order 66 which also completely misses the point of AOTC.

EU isn't really the main point here. However, blanket dismissal of the EU overlooks the fact that some EU authors have been better than others at coming up with logically well-thought-out "solutions" ( for lack of a better word ) for PT plot points.

Were it accurate, Kaminoan complicity in Order 66 seems like a significant enough plot point that it should have been indicated somewhere in AOTC or ROTS, but it wasn't. Instead it's somewhat conspicuous by its absence, which may potentially lead us to a different conclusion. What were we told in AOTC, and what were we not told? We were told that the clones were designed to ( in theory ) obey orders unquestioningly. We were told that the army was "for the Republic", and thus the clones needed to be trained to respond to orders issuing from the Republic chain of command. These things give us Order 66 all by themselves, without having to assume that the Kaminoans even knew about the order, and without having to delve into nonsense such as orders being somehow programmed into the clones' genetic code. A genetic code determines the physical characteristics, growth and development of an organism; it does not impart factual information to the brain of that organism. Thus, if an EU author tells us that Order 66 was not programmed by the Kaminoans, it only makes sense.

Besides, the Kaminoans seem to be similar to the ship-builders of Rogue Planet. They sell clones and are said to be good at what they do. Their society is based on commerce and they have a reputation to uphold. How would it affect their reputation if it got out that they sold a clone army with a hidden "kill your generals" switch built in? That would be like selling a high-tech gun of some kind while not telling the buyer that the little red button on the side would kill him if he pressed it. On some level the Kaminoans may seem fundamentally amoral in nature, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't take a great deal of professional pride in their work.
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Old July 28 2013, 08:25 PM   #1084
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No, I'm worried that Filoni & Co. completely missed the point of AOTC and are therefore promoting a version of Order 66 which also completely misses the point of AOTC.
And what does Order 66 which didn't show up until Revenge of the Sith have to do with the sales pitch for the clones.

However, blanket dismissal of the EU overlooks the fact that some EU authors have been better than others at coming up with logically well-thought-out "solutions" ( for lack of a better word ) for PT plot points.
Whoopie do. they're still not going to tie their hands based on something a fraction of the fanbase reads.

Were it accurate, Kaminoan complicity in Order 66 seems like a significant enough plot point that it should have been indicated somewhere in AOTC or ROTS, but it wasn't.
You mean with the clone army the Jedi didn't know crap except for the afore mentioned sales pitch the Kaminoans gave them on why clones trump droids about but used any way

What were we told in AOTC, and what were we not told?
Not as much as you seem to think.

We were told that the clones were designed to ( in theory ) obey orders unquestioningly. We were told that the army was "for the Republic", and thus the clones needed to be trained to respond to orders issuing from the Republic chain of command. These things give us Order 66 all by themselves, without having to assume that the Kaminoans even knew about the order, and without having to delve into nonsense such as orders being somehow programmed into the clones' genetic code. A genetic code determines the physical characteristics, growth and development of an organism; it does not impart factual information to the brain of that organism.
Didn't show the Kaminoan doing some kind of teaching machine thing with the Clones that would cover what ever orders and what not their supposed to know or be conditioned to follow.

Thus, if an EU author tells us that Order 66 was not programmed by the Kaminoans, it only makes sense.
Again, they're still not going to tie their hands based on something a fraction of the fanbase reads.
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Old July 28 2013, 11:26 PM   #1085
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And what does Order 66 which didn't show up until Revenge of the Sith have to do with the sales pitch for the clones.
Filoni would probably say the same thing, and that's what makes me worried.

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Whoopie do. they're still not going to tie their hands based on something a fraction of the fanbase reads.
They're not bound to follow the EU, but in this case to do so would possibly be more in line with what was covered in the films.

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Not as much as you seem to think.
I cited only two things, both of which were stated in the film. The point was that you can get Order 66 just from those things.

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Didn't show the Kaminoan doing some kind of teaching machine thing with the Clones that would cover what ever orders and what not their supposed to know or be conditioned to follow.
If they are only trained to follow certain prearranged orders then it defeats the purpose of the Kaminoans saying they will follow any order. The point of the army is that they are conditioned to follow any order given, not that they come pre-equipped with orders. And I still don't see how the Kaminoans would feel comfortable selling a product with a hidden switch that kills the operator and not telling anyone about it, nor do I think Palpatine would want the Kaminoans to know about the order in case of interrogation by the Jedi.

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Again, they're still not going to tie their hands based on something a fraction of the fanbase reads.
You might be missing the point. It's not about tying their hands, it's about whether their version makes sense.
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Old August 29 2013, 02:05 AM   #1086
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Here's the latest Clone Wars rumor and if it's true, it's a shit one and further confirms Disney's hatred of this series and it's fans.

http://www.theforce.net/story/front/...des_153871.asp
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Old August 29 2013, 02:09 AM   #1087
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The Clone Wars. Ruins canon even when you can't see it.
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Old August 29 2013, 03:26 AM   #1088
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Here's the latest Clone Wars rumor and if it's true, it's a shit one and further confirms Disney's hatred of this series and it's fans.

http://www.theforce.net/story/front/...des_153871.asp
People will just pirate the hell out of it.
Well, if the phrases "Star Wars" and "holiday" are this close together you just know things are not gonna end well.
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Old August 29 2013, 01:13 PM   #1089
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Here's the latest Clone Wars rumor and if it's true, it's a shit one and further confirms Disney's hatred of this series and it's fans.

http://www.theforce.net/story/front/...des_153871.asp

"A Disney branded app for Star Wars will launch on Apple TV devices, with plans to distribute the final Clone Wars episodes exclusively digitally only through the Apple TV device for a limited period of time. This will happen in this holiday season"

sounds to me like it will be on Apple TV first, and then available everywhere else (regular tv/dvd) after. how is that hatred towards the series and fans?
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Old August 29 2013, 01:35 PM   #1090
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It doesn't say anything about a Blu-ray/DVD release. Exclusively means "to the exclusion of others. Only. Solely."

If this is true. The Clone Wars will only be available in a medium that few people have and Disney will use it as justification that they were right to cancel the show because no one watched it.
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Old August 29 2013, 02:24 PM   #1091
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I blame Uncle Scrooge for this!
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Old August 29 2013, 02:46 PM   #1092
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It doesn't say anything about a Blu-ray/DVD release. Exclusively means "to the exclusion of others. Only. Solely."

If this is true. The Clone Wars will only be available in a medium that few people have and Disney will use it as justification that they were right to cancel the show because no one watched it.

It says "for a limited time". do you really think they'll sell the eps for a 1 month window during the holidays and then pull it? come on now...
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Old August 29 2013, 02:53 PM   #1093
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Right, the SW franchise has never done anything like that before.
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Old August 29 2013, 03:12 PM   #1094
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Right, the SW franchise has never done anything like that before.
??? every movie, both SE and original, and episode of Clone Wars is currently for sale. there is nothing that has been released that you cannot currently get.
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Old August 29 2013, 03:30 PM   #1095
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On the other hand, Disney has a history of making its films available only for a short time and then putting them "in the vault" indefinitely. The wording of the release is ambiguous; it's not clear what will happen after that limited time elapses.
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