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Old August 25 2013, 05:16 PM   #31
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Re: Alternative Factor - Worst Episode Ever?

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If not the worst, then let me re-phrase - could you say that this is Kirk/security at their worst? How many times are you going to let an intruder steal your d. crystals and then repeatedly fall off a cliff?
I do think the security on Kirk's Enterprise was always lackluster, but this episode definitely takes it to a whole new level.
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Old August 25 2013, 05:27 PM   #32
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I loved how Starfleet retreated all their ships away from a threat to the 'universe'. Where were those other ships going to hide? LOL.
Remember that was the time when we had the famous "duck and cover" drills in school. Like hiding under a wooden desk would keep us safe from the impending atomic holocaust. Just something to do to help us feel safe.
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Old August 25 2013, 06:04 PM   #33
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Oh, it's horrible alright. But it's got some comic value in Lazarus constantly falling off cliffs.
*Lazarus kicks rock off ledge*
"Captain, look out! AHHHHhhhhh!"
*splat*

If Abrams wants another story to remake, this is the one that needs it the most.

Re: Lazarus' time ship

When I saw this in first run, the prop looked familiar to me. It reminded me of something I'd seen in either Twilight Zone or Outer Limits. Maybe one of those TZ's, where Russell Johnson was a scientist experimenting with time, not sure what device was used. It's not "Back There", where he tries to stop Lincoln's assassination. Maybe "Execution", which I think has Albert Salmi as well.
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Old August 25 2013, 07:21 PM   #34
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It's not Execution with Russell Johnson. The time machine there is made of a bunch of flats.

That said what's funny about Execution is that the time machine sounds are the base noises for the Enterprise bridge background, which pretty much nails that those sound effects weren't created for Star Trek.
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Old August 25 2013, 10:41 PM   #35
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The ship looks sort of like a dining booth...maybe it rotates interdimensionally to come out of the wall at some restaurant.
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Old August 25 2013, 11:42 PM   #36
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It would have been interesting had they gone ahead with an earlier script idea of Lazarus getting it on with the lady in Dilithium Control as a way of getting stealing the crystals. We would then have had tv's "first" interracial kiss 2 years earlier in Alternative Factor rather than Platos Stepchildren. Which would then allow Plato to just frickin die finally.
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Old August 26 2013, 12:07 AM   #37
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But you know Shatner would have used the same argument, that if anyone was going to do the first inter-racial kiss on television, it would be him.
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Old August 26 2013, 03:41 PM   #38
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.........Which would then allow Plato to just frickin die finally.
Tru dat!

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Old August 26 2013, 03:55 PM   #39
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The unintentionally hilarious parts with Lazarus falling off the cliffs with a Trek version of a Wilhelm Scream are the only good parts. We'd watch it half asleep as kids but would always perk right up and laugh when it happened.
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Old August 26 2013, 04:56 PM   #40
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Our very own Ptrope (moderator for the fan art section) opted to digitally model Lazarus' "time ship" going so far as to give it a section to seal the entrance gap. I redressed it a bit to serve as a time of proto work bee/inspection pod as it kinda' matches the 60s style a bit better than the shipyard vehicles from the movie era.

I can easily imagine the production doing something similar if it had the opportunity it use it again.

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Old August 28 2013, 04:00 AM   #41
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Has any newer information ever come to light on what happened to the original Lazarus actor? That's quite a bender you've been on if you really just forget to go and be the star in a major weekly network tv show. Is there any record of what became of the complaint made to the Actors Guild?
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Old August 28 2013, 04:22 AM   #42
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That was John Drew Barrymore, a member of the famous Barrymore acting family, and father of Drew Barrymore. He died a few years ago.

After his Star Trek goofup, the Screen Actors Guild suspended him for six months, and he was unable to find similar work. The details are in Solow & Justman's Inside Star Trek: The Real Story. He survived it all, but I don't recall him ever being that popular in those days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Drew_Barrymore
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Old August 28 2013, 04:48 AM   #43
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That was John Drew Barrymore, a member of the famous Barrymore acting family, and father of Drew Barrymore. He died a few years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Drew_Barrymore

Just based on the Barrymore name, I long assumed he was a grand old man of the acting profession, and had skipped out on Star Trek for fear that sci-fi would hurt his classy reputation. Then one day I checked his wiki page and learned that that was the furthest thing from the truth.
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Old August 28 2013, 06:53 PM   #44
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The times Lazarus falls off cliffs, I sometimes think he must be part-lemming.
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Old August 29 2013, 02:37 AM   #45
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No one so far has mentioned "The Omega Glory," my nominee for worst ever. An idiotic mess of William Windom with trademark quivering face, laughable plot and mindless flag-waving. As Kirk explained it all for you at the end, "E plagnestum" ... or something.
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