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Old August 27 2013, 04:50 PM   #91
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Re: Amok Time doesn't make sense.

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It might be splitting the line but people can die and be brought back say via defibrillator.
Then they weren't dead, only their heart stopped.
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Old August 27 2013, 05:59 PM   #92
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T'Pau apparently seemed pretty okay about it considering she greased the wheels which let Kirk off the hook for violating orders to come to Vulcan. Honor and tradition were satisfied and she learned that Human friends were awesome to have. The outcome of the challenge would be no different had Kirk actually died and since he didn't, an upstanding Vulcan guy named Spock avoided going to the pokey.

Win-win. I'm sure T'Pau had a lot of crap covered up on her watch. This solution avoided repercussions that would have opened up their secret traditions to lot of people who wouldn't get it.
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Old August 27 2013, 08:27 PM   #93
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They ended up revealing it to the general culture anyways. Probably they sucked it up and figured "Eh, being all secretive and stuff nearly got this innocent guy killed and would've messed up some major political stuff. We may as well just admit the truth and stop being babies over it."
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Old August 27 2013, 08:39 PM   #94
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. . .I'm not sure how pleased T'pau would be to know that there was no duel to the death after all, and that Bones tricked everyone into thinking Kirk died.
As T'Pau had already bent the rules by allowing Kirk to compete ("our laws are not binding on thee"), I don't think she would have had any room to complain when it turned out Kirk's death was faked. It was McCoy's trick anyway, Kirk didn't know he'd been given a mickey. The worst that might have happened was a diplomatic protest.
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Old August 27 2013, 08:49 PM   #95
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I'm not sure how pleased T'pau would be to know that there was no duel to the death after all
It's okay... even if she was displeased, she couldn't admit to it. That's an emotional response.
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Old August 27 2013, 10:04 PM   #96
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A Starfleet captain who knows nothing about the culture of their fellow Federation co-founders is bad enough, but a Starfleet doctor who knows nothing about Vulcan physiology despite having a half-Vulcan crew member is just ridiculous.

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Not just this episode but in the entire series this attidue bothers me. I would think that by the 23rd century a Doctor would have a breadth of knowledge about other humanoid species.

They should that Dr. Phlox on Enteprise seemd to be more knowledgeable about the physiology of other humanoid species.
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Old August 27 2013, 10:16 PM   #97
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I would think that by the 23rd century a Doctor would have a breadth of knowledge about other humanoid species.
It seems to me that by the 23rd century, an MD would have even narrower knowledge than today. Medicine is advancing so fast that it's basically impossible to be a general practitioner today; it might well take a minimum of three people with doctorates to adequately cover even Homo sapiens.

The only reason I think McCoy might be expected to know something about Vulcans is Spock being aboard. Apparently, the Vulcan is the only nonhuman on that ship - so Starfleet would do well to pick a doctor with at least some proficiency in handling Vulcans. But for all we know, they did, and that doctor was M'Benga; due to his rare specialization, he in turn was an inferior choice for treating the 429 humans, or for some other reason (lack of service years, say) couldn't become the CMO.

A smart organization might have given up on human doctors altogether, and only enrolled Denobulans or other species capable of coping with broader skill sets.

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Old August 27 2013, 10:28 PM   #98
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Re: Amok Time doesn't make sense.

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A Starfleet captain who knows nothing about the culture of their fellow Federation co-founders is bad enough, but a Starfleet doctor who knows nothing about Vulcan physiology despite having a half-Vulcan crew member is just ridiculous.

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Not just this episode but in the entire series this attidue bothers me. I would think that by the 23rd century a Doctor would have a breadth of knowledge about other humanoid species.

They should that Dr. Phlox on Enteprise seemd to be more knowledgeable about the physiology of other humanoid species.
As originally written, the Vulcans were a mysterious race that kept largely to themselves and didn't share much with outsiders. Even Spock didn't reveal everything there was to know about Vulcans.

It wasn't until ten or so episodes after "Amok Time" that the character of Dr. M'Benga was introduced as a physician that had studied on Vulcan for a while and was more familiar with Vulcan physiology than most Starfleet doctors (but even then, he may not have known everything about them).

By the time of TNG, though, Vulcans may have dropped their veil of secrecy and quite a bit about their biology had long since been made available in the Starfleet Medical database.
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Old August 27 2013, 10:34 PM   #99
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With Spock as his patient though, McCoy was mostly experienced with a Vulcan-Human hybrid. He has to adapt when working on full Vulcans like Sarek. McCoy's specialty seems to be humans.
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Old August 27 2013, 10:39 PM   #100
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According to "Court Martial", his specialty is space psychology - a very useful skill to have on a five-year mission, and probably it makes him a good choice for Starfleet to replace the Piper/Dehner combo. Perhaps such concerns outweighed the need to care for Spock's well-being?

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Old August 27 2013, 10:48 PM   #101
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According to "Court Martial", his specialty is space psychology - a very useful skill to have on a five-year mission, and probably it makes him a good choice for Starfleet to replace the Piper/Dehner combo. Perhaps such concerns outweighed the need to care for Spock's well-being?

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True, and humans in TOS seemed to think of Vulcans as almost invincible as well so they may have thought a Vulcan wouldn't need that much medical attention.
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Old August 28 2013, 01:34 AM   #102
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According to "Court Martial", his specialty is space psychology - a very useful skill to have on a five-year mission, and probably it makes him a good choice for Starfleet to replace the Piper/Dehner combo. Perhaps such concerns outweighed the need to care for Spock's well-being?

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They say he's an expert, not that it's his specialty. McCoy actually downplays that by saying he knows something about it. If it was his specialty I don't think he'd do that. Wouldn't Dr. Noel be aboard at this time or did she leave after Dagger of the Mind??
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Old August 28 2013, 02:07 AM   #103
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The show was inconsistent with what it's characters knew and didn't know , including McCoy.

I believe he wrote a book on alien physiology though (although that didnt come from TOS)
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Old August 28 2013, 02:14 AM   #104
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They tend to know what the plot needs them to know.
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Old August 28 2013, 03:47 AM   #105
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T'Pau may have kept silent about it. Having to explain a dead starship captain to the Vulcan government and the Federation likely wouldn't have been much fun. She might have suspected what McCoy was really up to and just played along.
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