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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.33%
A 161 21.61%
A- 100 13.42%
B+ 82 11.01%
B 58 7.79%
B- 27 3.62%
C+ 40 5.37%
C 38 5.10%
C- 25 3.36%
D+ 11 1.48%
D 13 1.74%
D- 10 1.34%
F 36 4.83%
Voters: 745. You may not vote on this poll

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Old August 26 2013, 07:37 PM   #4681
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

JarodRussell wrote: View Post
And the shitstorm begins where Person 4 has to defend his opinion down to the tiniest detail against those other people. And eventually Person 4 gets bullied into argument corners and then labelled as butthurt or extremely nerdy, who "can't enjoy something for what it is", or who is on a hate quest against the director/cast/writer.

It also goes the other way round when the majority dislikes a film and someone comes in saying he liked it.
This is just utter bullshit. Lots of people in here have had no issue articulating why they like the two Abrams films.

When all you do is come in and scream that Abrams raped your childhood, don't be surprised when someone asks you why you dislike (hate) the movie. Also, don't be surprised when you answer "poor science" that people laugh at you as that is as common a staple of Star Trek as outer space or the transporters.
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Old August 26 2013, 08:16 PM   #4682
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Why not? Standards change, as we're talking taste here.
Again, simple fairness. You can't bust JJ Abrams nuts over some of the sillier things he's done with the reboots and let Gene Roddenberry, Berman, Braga, all have a pass for equally silly/same things.
Of course you can. Since when is taste fair? If you don't like the overall film, of course you find flaws in it. Sole nitpicks are never the reason people don't like a film, they are only symptoms picked as examples in discussions.


Discussions here usually go this way:

Person 1: I fucking loved it.
Person 2: Yeah, it was great.
Person 3: I want babies with it.
Person 4: Meh, I didn't like it.
Person 1: Why?
Person 2: Why?!
Person 3: WHY?!?!
Person 4: Yeah, you know, because of this and that and those and these.
And the shitstorm begins where Person 4 has to defend his opinion down to the tiniest detail against those other people. And eventually Person 4 gets bullied into argument corners and then labelled as butthurt or extremely nerdy, who "can't enjoy something for what it is", or who is on a hate quest against the director/cast/writer.

It also goes the other way round when the majority dislikes a film and someone comes in saying he liked it.
Well, no, they don't usually go that way, and you know it. Buuut you got your agreements from all-too-predictable quarters, so score yourself a point, give yourself a smug pat on the back, and sit down. I'd really like to not see you needling for a while, Jarod.

Now everyone can please get back to making the discussion about about the movie instead of about other fan groups.
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Old August 26 2013, 10:31 PM   #4683
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

I noticed that before the Space Jump from ship to ship Scotty says: They will have full weapons in 3 minutes.

More like 15-20 minutes until they finally take the ship !

Only when Kirk gets to the bridge do the weapons come online.

So... I guess Scotty got it wrong, but it is a line that should have been excised from the final cut or changed !
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Old August 27 2013, 12:08 AM   #4684
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JarodRussell wrote: View Post
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JarodRussell wrote: View Post
Why not? Standards change, as we're talking taste here.
Again, simple fairness. You can't bust JJ Abrams nuts over some of the sillier things he's done with the reboots and let Gene Roddenberry, Berman, Braga, all have a pass for equally silly/same things.
Of course you can. Since when is taste fair? If you don't like the overall film, of course you find flaws in it. Sole nitpicks are never the reason people don't like a film, they are only symptoms picked as examples in discussions.


Discussions here usually go this way:

Person 1: I fucking loved it.
Person 2: Yeah, it was great.
Person 3: I want babies with it.
Person 4: Meh, I didn't like it.
Person 1: Why?
Person 2: Why?!
Person 3: WHY?!?!
Person 4: Yeah, you know, because of this and that and those and these.
And the shitstorm begins where Person 4 has to defend his opinion down to the tiniest detail against those other people. And eventually Person 4 gets bullied into argument corners and then labelled as butthurt or extremely nerdy, who "can't enjoy something for what it is", or who is on a hate quest against the director/cast/writer.

It also goes the other way round when the majority dislikes a film and someone comes in saying he liked it.
No it's usually:


Person 4: I hated it because to me, it 'Not Trek'. (Usually followed by - Now <insert earlier Star Trek film that Person 4 loved here> was Star Trek at it's best...

Person 1: But <insert earlier Star Trek film that Person 4 loved here> did exactly what you're nitpicking STID for; so why is <insert earlier Star Trek film that Person 4 loved here> Trek and STID 'Not Trek'?...
....

And then the discussion continues...
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Old August 27 2013, 12:19 AM   #4685
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

It's New Coke versus Coke Classic is what it is. Tastes about the same, but you'll never get some people to admit to it.
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Old August 27 2013, 06:41 PM   #4686
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It's New Coke versus Coke Classic is what it is. Tastes about the same, but you'll never get some people to admit to it.
New Coke tasted nothing like Coke classic. New Coke tasted like Pepsi.
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Old August 28 2013, 04:20 AM   #4687
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You know what I hate?

Of course you don't, because I don't waste my time complaining days, weeks, months and years at a time about things I don't like, including specific incarnations of Trek!

And I hated New Coke!
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Old August 28 2013, 04:00 PM   #4688
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How is occasionally (hardly continuously) talking about what you disliked about something weeks or months (years is probably excessive) after you watched it more of a waste than praising aspects weeks, month or years afterwards?
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Old August 29 2013, 08:56 AM   #4689
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I found it to be a very entertaining movie. Predictable though. I think as a sequel the 2009 film which I was disappointed by they did a good job and they chucked in a lot of stuff I can Trekgeek out over. But that Vengeance ship looks crap and that's mostly because of it's humongous size.
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Old August 31 2013, 04:44 PM   #4690
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I found it to be a very entertaining movie. Predictable though. I think as a sequel the 2009 film which I was disappointed by they did a good job and they chucked in a lot of stuff I can Trekgeek out over. But that Vengeance ship looks crap and that's mostly because of it's humongous size.

What a silly statement. It was designed to to exactly what is states in the movie, to be overpowered and fight threats like Nero and Klingons. Its over-armored, brutish and less aesthetically pleasing than other UFP ships but it has it's own charm. It's a challenge coming up with something similar but different.
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Old August 31 2013, 11:12 PM   #4691
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I still like them as entertainment pieces but when I watch the 2009 and STID movies, I feel exactly like Guinan did in "Yesterday's Enterprise" when everything went all dark and military.
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Old September 1 2013, 08:04 PM   #4692
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I still like them as entertainment pieces but when I watch the 2009 and STID movies, I feel exactly like Guinan did in "Yesterday's Enterprise" when everything went all dark and military.
You mean like this?

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Old September 1 2013, 11:14 PM   #4693
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I saw this movie today, I like to think I have an open mind and I really think it's a good movie, it's definately Star Trek.

So why do I have this 'feeling' that I simply don't really care.. Why don't I care when Kirk 'dies' ?

I think the simple answer is the fact that we don't really know these characters.. Sure they are 'kirk' and 'spock' but in reality they aren't the Spock and Kirk we grew up with, and the problem the reboot have is that it doesn't have a tv-show in its back where we have come to learn, to know and to care about these people. Without that tv-show it's simply not as dramatic as it could be.

I gave the movie a A- but Star Trek's backbone is the TV-show I realize that now.
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Old September 3 2013, 06:30 AM   #4694
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Into Darkness is Rotten Tomatoes #7 Summer Movie Of 2013

Critics Consensus: Visually spectacular and suitably action packed, Star Trek Into Darkness is a rock-solid installment in the venerable sci-fi franchise, even if it's not as fresh as its predecessor.
Not bad, not bad at all. A little surprised, thought it;d be a little lower down
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Old September 3 2013, 11:26 AM   #4695
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I'm still surprised Into Darkness didn't do better at the box office. The only films that ranked higher on that list were independent, non-action films.
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