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Old August 26 2013, 08:43 PM   #31
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Re: Have the Galaxy Class got a fatal design flaw?

I think it's interesting to note that in the case of both Yamato and Odyssey, both were more or less destroyed for shock value, not unlike the Constellation on TOS. Heck, if you wanted to you could contrive the notion that the Constitution class was cursed. But I don't see there being any reason to think the Galaxy class had a fatal flaw.
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Old August 26 2013, 08:51 PM   #32
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Well in the case of the Odyssey, It was rammed I wonder how many hips would surive being rammed. And it was perhaps only the debris stricking the nacelle that cause the ship to explode. Otherwise perhaps it might have survived.
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Old August 27 2013, 02:55 PM   #33
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The Enterprise-D had 2 fatal flaws:

1. The ship status displays in Main Engineering advertised the shield frequency for all to see.

2. Apparently, in combat, if the ship takes a couple of hits to the Engineering section, her phaser power is reduced to the point where they have absolutely no impact at all against the shields of a 20-year old Bird of Prey.
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Old August 27 2013, 03:29 PM   #34
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I think it's interesting to note that in the case of both Yamato and Odyssey, both were more or less destroyed for shock value, not unlike the Constellation on TOS.
I don't really think thats comparable seeing as the Constellation after going up against a almost indestructible Doomsday Machine that could likely out class a Borg Cube and was mostly intact where as the Odyssey got owned by small ships that the Defiant usually blew up in one shot.

The Yamato's destruction on the other hand was reasonable since it was taken out by some uber computer virus.

Heck, if you wanted to you could contrive the notion that the Constitution class was cursed.
The loses of Connies though were from a variety of reasons such as 1) destruction while fighting something probably more powerful than the Borg (Constellation), being eaten by a Space Amoeba (Intrepid), surprise full power attack during a wargame at the hands of an out of control A.I. (Excalibur), possible loss after a virus killed all of the crew save the captain (Exeter), falling into a a weird space anomaly and getting lost in another dimension as a result (Defiant), and fianlly self-destruct after previous battle damage, reliance on automation due to a lack of crew, and a lucky shot crippled the ship (Enterprise)

Not really something that any other ship class could avoid.

But I don't see there being any reason to think the Galaxy class had a fatal flaw.
The Galaxies on the other hand were variations of the same thing.

Computer virus triggered warp core breach (Yamato), collision triggered warp core breach (Odyssey and time looped Enterprise), fixing the space-time continuum triggered warp core breach times 3 (alternate pilot Enterprise, Enterprise, alternate future Enterprise), combat damage triggered warp core breach (Enterprise, crappy Borg took over the alpha quadrant alternate Enterprise, and alternate present Enterprise).

So yeah it does look like their is something fishy with the warp core on a Galaxy-class starship.
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Old August 27 2013, 04:27 PM   #35
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Not really, just that the warp core (and associated systems) can onlt take so much damage.
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Old August 27 2013, 10:08 PM   #36
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We don't really know what kills starships in general. Kirk's ship was never really threatened by conventional destruction, save for "That Which Survives" where something very much akin to a warp core breach was fast approaching until Scotty saved the day. The ship was threatened by other, more interesting fates, such as being miniaturized, crushed by divine hand, erased from history, or sucked into a planet in the throes of temporal weirdness.

Janeway's ship was seldom destroyed, and it took nothing less than a year of hell to achieve that much. Sisko's ship was destroyed by a superweapon. Archer's ship wasn't destroyed. With that little evidence, it's quite difficult to assess whether certain types of starship might have weaknesses or flaws.

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Old August 27 2013, 10:13 PM   #37
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The Enterprise-D had 2 fatal flaws:

1. The ship status displays in Main Engineering advertised the shield frequency for all to see.

2. Apparently, in combat, if the ship takes a couple of hits to the Engineering section, her phaser power is reduced to the point where they have absolutely no impact at all against the shields of a 20-year old Bird of Prey.
Security was no better on Voyager(where the EMH could access -and- change the frequency from Sickbay) or the Defiant. The Federation is a very trusting place. Not to mention if you're a hostile boarder and have manged to board the ship... chances are you've already bypassed the shields in some way anyhow.

The flaw was they fired one time... that's it. Then they turned around where most of the weapons were facing away from the ship and their engines and other vulnerable parts(which ended up causing the problem that blew them up) were facing towards them. The flaw was in the big chair of the bridge there. William T. Riker.
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Old August 27 2013, 10:24 PM   #38
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The flaw was they fired one time... that's it.
Umm, the ship was constantly firing at the Klingons as far as the soundscape on the bridge was concerned: the phasers were going "ping ping" again and again.

most of the weapons were facing away from the ship
Not really - the main phasers face in every direction, and there's a stern torpedo tube to cover for the bow tube. If anything, there were more phaser strips available to Riker when mooning the Klingons: the ones at the stern cannot fire forward, while none of the ones facing forward are incapable of firing aft. Perhaps Starfleet wisely designs its ships with firepower concentrated to protect a retreat?

the shields of a 20-year old Bird of Prey
...Were probably upgraded by the tech wizard Soran. After all, he did promise to do something about the Klingon ship being a hopeless underdog - and the Klingons themselves were mightily surprised by the fact that their shields held.

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Old August 27 2013, 11:03 PM   #39
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Yes, it did. Its fatal design flaw was the writers.
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Old August 28 2013, 03:40 PM   #40
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I'll go along with that one.
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Old August 28 2013, 09:25 PM   #41
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It always amused me how nonchalant Picard was when he gets back to find Riker lost ship ship against a 20 year old Bird of Prey in two hours. I'd figure he'd be more pissed, but that would ruin the cliche happy movie ending.
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Old August 28 2013, 10:34 PM   #42
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He probably had the realization moments after they beamed to the Farragut. Then again, he did carelessly discard the Kurlan Nascos, so it's possible he still had a Nexus buzz and didn't realize what he was doing.
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Old August 30 2013, 01:23 PM   #43
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Umm, the ship was constantly firing at the Klingons as far as the soundscape on the bridge was concerned: the phasers were going "ping ping" again and again.
Nope. They fired once and that was it. The sound you're hearing are the Klingon disruptors hitting the Big D.

Were probably upgraded by the tech wizard Soran.
Now you're just giving a movie credit for something that wasn't even in the movie.
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Old August 30 2013, 03:48 PM   #44
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More like making a mob hit seem like an accident... but it's the only way to make the producers' desire to destroy the ship, as it was shoehorned into the film, less bothersome.
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Old August 31 2013, 08:00 AM   #45
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The Enterprise-D had 2 fatal flaws:

1. The ship status displays in Main Engineering advertised the shield frequency for all to see.

2. Apparently, in combat, if the ship takes a couple of hits to the Engineering section, her phaser power is reduced to the point where they have absolutely no impact at all against the shields of a 20-year old Bird of Prey.
Security was no better on Voyager(where the EMH could access -and- change the frequency from Sickbay) or the Defiant. The Federation is a very trusting place. Not to mention if you're a hostile boarder and have manged to board the ship... chances are you've already bypassed the shields in some way anyhow.

The flaw was they fired one time... that's it. Then they turned around where most of the weapons were facing away from the ship and their engines and other vulnerable parts(which ended up causing the problem that blew them up) were facing towards them. The flaw was in the big chair of the bridge there. William T. Riker.
I have to Disagree with R-Star Here. The Mistake was Picards. Riker did the best he could in a bad situation. When the Enterprise was attacked, they were taken completely by surprise that The Klingons were able to completely bypass their shields. The forward section was full of INNOCENT CIVILIANS. Riker would know this, and would have ordered the ship to keep it's Aft Section facing the Bird of Prey so as to keep Civilian death's to a minimum. Saucer sep was out of the question while The Enterprise was taking direct hits to her hull. Picard should have known they were going into a system with a Renegade Klingon Ship containing a very dangerous Individual aboard, and Stopped at a system en route, did a proper Saucer Separation, and went into the Veridian System with the Stardrive. Just my Opinion. I think Riker handled the situation well.
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