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Old August 26 2013, 04:59 PM   #1
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The Prime Directive

Hey!

This weekend before a show a bandmate and fellow Trekkie and I where having a debate over the Prime Directive. I was defeating it by saying that it allowed pre-warp civilizations to progress naturally and not destory themselves while he took the opposite view that it was the height of arrogence because it sent a message that those with technology and knowledge are better because they know better. He stated that knowledge should be shared to better everybody and thay witholding information was a way to keep cultures and people down and in thier place.

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Old August 26 2013, 05:07 PM   #2
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Your both right to a certain extent. But then what technology do you share, medical, agricultural, weapons to you place a limit on what you share? Because anything less than everything is a form of the Prime Directive.
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Old August 26 2013, 05:16 PM   #3
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the TOS Prime Directive was a sensible enough idea and flexible enough to work.

The TNG PD was social Darwinist nonsense that led to ethically monstrous decisions.
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Old August 26 2013, 05:28 PM   #4
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The Prime Directive defines Starfleet's role as some missions resembling a type of advanced, militarized Peace Corps.
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Old August 26 2013, 05:29 PM   #5
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So it was arrogent then?
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Old August 26 2013, 05:41 PM   #6
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It depends whether you think the Peace Corps mission is the right one.
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Old August 26 2013, 05:47 PM   #7
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I think that any society that thinks it is better to allow a whole sentient race to die rather than alter their knowledge of the universe is fucked in the head.

Withholding technology and not taking sides in internal squabbles is one thing, but allowing a race to die because they don't understand some of the dangers around them is just plain evil. It's like letting a toddler get hit by a bus because it doesn't understand the danger of wandering out into the street.
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Old August 26 2013, 05:57 PM   #8
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So it was arrogent then?
I think so.

You're invading their territory and walking among them without consent or compensation of any kind in the name of exploration. The Federation is essentially deciding what is good for them.

The Federation comes across as arrogant a good portion of the time in the 24th century.
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Old August 26 2013, 06:12 PM   #9
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Hey!
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it was the height of arrogence because it sent a message that those with technology and knowledge are better because they know better
The thing is the two are not automatically synonymous. A culture could be equally (or more) advanced as the federation and at the same time be technologically inferior.

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Old August 26 2013, 06:42 PM   #10
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Let me ask you this then,

If the Prime Directive is so arrogent, what would have happened if the Spainards use it with the Meso-Americans instead of using the raping, pillaging and 500 years of Catholic guilt and cutlrual assminilation. Would the world be a different place? Would things have turned out as bad?
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Old August 26 2013, 06:47 PM   #11
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^The point is you can't know if things would be better or worse.
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Old August 26 2013, 06:52 PM   #12
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Let me ask you this then,

If the Prime Directive is so arrogent, what would have happened if the Spainards use it with the Meso-Americans instead of using the raping, pillaging and 500 years of Catholic guilt and cutlrual assminilation. Would the world be a different place? Would things have turned out as bad?
No one will ever know.

But you're automatically saying that the mistakes we've made before we'll make again. I don't think anyone here is presenting the idea that Starfleet officers raping the natives and giving them blankets infected with small-pox would be allowed.

Plus, in a post-scarcity economy that Trek presents, there would be little of value to be gained from primitive cultures that you help in most cases.
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Old August 26 2013, 06:54 PM   #13
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How could have the Prime Directive evolved into what we know it, if the Spaniards hadn't been pillaging in the first place?
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Old August 26 2013, 06:56 PM   #14
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How could have the Prime Directive evolved into what we know it, if the Spaniards hadn't been pillaging in the first place?
But if you go by Enterprise, it seems to have come from the Vulcans and not the humans.
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Old August 26 2013, 10:58 PM   #15
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You mean, as a result of Vulcans regretting their interference with other races, particularly humanity?
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