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Old August 26 2013, 04:05 PM   #211
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Thought Walt was going to squeeze Jesse to death or snap his neck in the desert.
I thought the same thing, but he waited, and he shouldn't have.

Walt likes to be in charge, now that he can't I can see him killing anyone.

And the video was amazing.
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Old August 26 2013, 04:15 PM   #212
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^ It was brilliant.
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Old August 26 2013, 04:50 PM   #213
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Walt's fake confession was deliciously evil. Poor Hank. He's just not up to par with Walt. However, Jesse might do his work for him, after all. But if that happens, how will Hank fare? The circumstances will make him look bad to the DEA, perhaps even complicit (depending on what they find).

Can someone explain to me, though, how Jesse figured out that Walt was behind the poisoning of Brock by looking at the cigarettes? If I remember correctly, Brock was poisoned by a flower Walt had in his garden, not the ricin from Jesse's cigarettes. I don't quite remember the details of the ricin cigarette storyline.
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Old August 26 2013, 05:10 PM   #214
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Walt's fake confession was deliciously evil. Poor Hank. He's just not up to par with Walt. However, Jesse might do his work for him, after all. But if that happens, how will Hank fare? The circumstances will make him look bad to the DEA, perhaps even complicit (depending on what they find).

Can someone explain to me, though, how Jesse figured out that Walt was behind the poisoning of Brock by looking at the cigarettes? If I remember correctly, Brock was poisoned by a flower Walt had in his garden, not the ricin from Jesse's cigarettes. I don't quite remember the details of the ricin cigarette storyline.
I was wondering the same thing. I guess it just finally clicked in his head, he put two and two together after staring at the cigarette.

The only thing that might seem out of character for me is Jesse "teaming up" with Hank. I would think that with the time he spent with Mike, Jesse would never talk and would never cooperate with the police. He definitely allowed Hank to get to him. Granted, Jesse allowed his conscious to get to him, but he also fell for the oldest trick in the book. He wouldn't have fell for that with Mike around. So, I don't know if he's going to work with Hank per se, but he's obviously going after Walt in his own, unique, way.

I think it's funny how Saul is still trying to maintain the peace while the shit storm pours down on everyone. He keeps sticking with Walt, presumably out of fear and for the money, but eventually, he's going to have the same choice as Jesse, either disappear or be killed.

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Old August 26 2013, 05:35 PM   #215
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Can someone explain to me, though, how Jesse figured out that Walt was behind the poisoning of Brock by looking at the cigarettes? If I remember correctly, Brock was poisoned by a flower Walt had in his garden, not the ricin from Jesse's cigarettes. I don't quite remember the details of the ricin cigarette storyline.
Saul wanted Jesse to get rid of his pot, Huell bumped into Jesse in the office, and then Jesse noticed his dope was gone. When he was looking for the pot and found the pack of smokes, it dawned on him the same thing had happened before.
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Old August 26 2013, 05:36 PM   #216
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They addressed the cigarette "epiphany" in the "Talking Bad" segment.

Based on what I can tell, he was looking to light up a new doob. He realized that the bag was gone after (IIRC) another covert frisking by Saul's security guy. He then went to smoke a regular cigarette and that's when it clicked. When he realized the bag had been lifted so expertly without his knowledge, he realized that the same person or people were behind the loss of his "lucky" cigarette and it all came crashing together. The only thing he neglected to take into account is that the tox report on his girlfriend's son proved that he wasn't poisoned by Walt's special substance (not including the name here - don't want a knock at my door), moving attention away from that and onto some other potential source. In any case, that part was clearly irrelevant in Jesse's mind, as he had already decided who was responsible and went to take retribution.

Edit - Whoopsy. Written at the same time. I do so love asynchronous environments...
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Old August 26 2013, 05:42 PM   #217
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Edit - Whoopsy. Written at the same time. I do so love asynchronous environments...
Cool, I don't watch "Talking Bad," so that's good to know.
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Old August 26 2013, 06:40 PM   #218
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Yeah I have to agree Jesse's epiphany over the cigarette was a bit hard to follow at first, because while those events occurred very recently for him, it's been a couple years for us.

But thinking back, Jesse actually HAD correctly guessed the first time that Walt had poisoned Brock (and was very close to shooting Walt over it), but Walt spun this big elaborate story about Gus framing him after stealing the cigarette out of Jesse's locker instead.

Of course now that Jesse sees what a master manipulator and liar Walt is (and how easily Huell was able to pick his pocket), it seems a lot more obvious that Walt was behind the whole thing after all.
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Old August 26 2013, 07:01 PM   #219
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Yeah, it makes sense to me, now. I really should have rewatched the show before this last half-season.
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Old August 26 2013, 07:57 PM   #220
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Walt had also essentially closed the book on the ricin by "finding" it in Jesse's Roomba, so the only way he could put together that Huell had swiped it was if he also believed Walt snowed him back then, too. That does fit with the rest of this episode, and Jesse's general complaint that Walt is always "working" him. Definitely some tricky dot-connecting going on for Jesse to figure all that out, though.

Walt's confession was just brilliant. He linked pieces of the truth together with lies that would be difficult or impossible to confirm, as the relevant players are all dead. Jesse is pretty much his only weak link at this point, and as a matter of self-preservation, Walt should have pulled the trigger on him.

But it's just as well that he didn't, because I'm more than happy to see Walt's perfect little world upended by the troubled young man he's abused for the past year.
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Old August 26 2013, 08:05 PM   #221
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As far as I can see the only flaw in the confession is the money Walt payed for medical treatment. Why would a drug kingpin need his employee brother in law to pay a couple hundred thousand in medical fees?
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Old August 26 2013, 08:49 PM   #222
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As far as I can see the only flaw in the confession is the money Walt payed for medical treatment. Why would a drug kingpin need his employee brother in law to pay a couple hundred thousand in medical fees?
Well, the trouble with drug money is that you can't legitimately use it in transactions (at least to any significant degree) if it hasn't been laundered in some way. Hank wouldn't have been able to pay for his treatments with his salary. So he came up with the cover story of Walt's gambling success to use the money they were making from meth cooking. That's how Walt would spin it, I guess.
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Old August 26 2013, 08:51 PM   #223
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As far as I can see the only flaw in the confession is the money Walt payed for medical treatment. Why would a drug kingpin need his employee brother in law to pay a couple hundred thousand in medical fees?
Deniability. Think about it. DEA agent on a modest salary is paying for almost $200K in top-notch rehab? I don't think so. Instead, use a cover story that your gambling addict brother-in-law paid for it with his winnings, instead. The best part of said cover story is that it's (mostly) true! This puts all the risk on Walt, which fits perfectly with the narrative of Hank blackmailing and threatening him into doing it. The whole thing hinges on Hank being this master manipulator, a more shrewd kingpin than even Gus Fring. His relentless pursuit of Fring, by the way, is cast in an entirely different light once you believe he was using DEA resources to thwart his competitors. This might be a smarter move by Walt than we realize, though it has no evidence to back it up other than the money Walt paid for Hank's treatment--which is, as Hank said, the "nail in the coffin" for him.
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Old August 26 2013, 08:58 PM   #224
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...I'm more than happy to see Walt's perfect little world upended by the troubled young man he's abused for the past year.
I want to see Walt, Skyler and the kids retire to Mexico where he can be the drug lord with the big house, the sports cars and the gaudy outfits. And Hank, with nowhere to go, will have to be the new Mike.
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Old August 26 2013, 09:33 PM   #225
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I can't help but wonder what Skyler's thought process is during all this. Has she really been corrupted so much by Walt that she's okay with framing Hank and Marie this way? As much as she'd clearly like to hold onto the money and keep Walt (and herself) out of prison, it seems like an awfully vicious way to treat her own family.

Or is she just so much in a state of shock that she's not thinking clearly anymore and is simply going along with whatever Walt says now?

I'm not a Skyler-hater by any means, and think the actress is doing a terrific job, but I'm just having a really hard time reading what the character is thinking right now.
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