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The Next Generation All Good Things come to an end...but not here.

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Old August 23 2013, 04:19 PM   #31
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Re: IS the okuda timeline canon?

Maybe Data had 77 classmates.
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Old August 23 2013, 04:56 PM   #32
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Re: IS the okuda timeline canon?

Suddenly makes me want to see a 'shop of Data in the Monster Maroon uniforms. I bet if you squint hard enough in TSFS he's lurking in the background.
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Old August 23 2013, 05:17 PM   #33
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Might be that DC Fontana thought the current year was 2302, because of David Gerrold's new stardate rule, where the 4 (somehow) stood for the 24th century. Stardates 40xxx would've been 2301, and Data would've graduated in 2278 = 24 years earlier, close to the established 19 years (since 2345).

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Old August 23 2013, 05:23 PM   #34
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Re: IS the okuda timeline canon?

^^^
Might be the case. They probably hadn't really nailed-down a lot of stuff that early on in the production of TNG. In any case, "class of '78" is the anomalous dating reference in comparison to the other on-screen dating references we get in TNG, and should just be discounted. Especially when we get one of the clearest date references later on that same season in The Neuteral Zone.
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Old August 23 2013, 05:24 PM   #35
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Agreed.
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Old August 23 2013, 06:00 PM   #36
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Data graduating as part of the class of '78.
Maybe the graduation was held on another planet with a different dating system!
I suspect it's a FASA/Spaceflight Chronology date. They put TNG at the very start of the 24th century. Early TNG used images from FASA and the SFC in display graphics, so somebody must have been a fan.
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Old August 23 2013, 09:54 PM   #37
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Yes, for the first season of TNG, FASA established a "reference stardate" which converts to 2303 under the old timeline, while the pilot writers may have been working with their own Spaceflight-based calculation. Still, I wonder if that timeline had something to do with Gerrold's stardate rule as well — perhaps that method was also influenced by the Spaceflight Chronology?
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Old August 23 2013, 10:43 PM   #38
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But on the other hand, everything involving TOS is questionable because, apart from the last couple movies, Okuda had no "inside knowledge" to pull from.)
I'm not even convinced that TOS took place in the 23rd Century. TMP retcon notwithstanding.
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Old August 24 2013, 04:16 AM   #39
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But on the other hand, everything involving TOS is questionable because, apart from the last couple movies, Okuda had no "inside knowledge" to pull from.)
I'm not even convinced that TOS took place in the 23rd Century. TMP retcon notwithstanding.
Neither was Kirk. He wasn't very good at math for some reason.
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Old August 24 2013, 04:11 PM   #40
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But on the other hand, everything involving TOS is questionable because, apart from the last couple movies, Okuda had no "inside knowledge" to pull from.)
I'm not even convinced that TOS took place in the 23rd Century. TMP retcon notwithstanding.
Neither was Kirk. He wasn't very good at math for some reason.
Very true.
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Old August 25 2013, 08:18 PM   #41
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Neither was Kirk. He wasn't very good at math for some reason.
Very true.
Well, to be fair Picard spells the word knife without the K, we all have our little problems.

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Maybe Data had 77 classmates.
This (or something like it), the "class of 78" doesn't have to be a reference to a year.

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Old August 25 2013, 10:58 PM   #42
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Riker was challenging the authenticity of Data's officer commission. It would be pretty natural for the android to point out that he has 77 witnesses to the commission being for real!

Or then Data graduated from the class of Seventy Eight, the famous great-grandson of Gary Eight.

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Old August 26 2013, 01:48 AM   #43
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As rationalizations go that one's a doozy.
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Old August 27 2013, 05:53 PM   #44
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As rationalizations go that one's a doozy.
Indeed.

I don't need it rationalized. It's clearly a reference to the year, which was later retconned. That's good enough for me.
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Old August 29 2013, 03:39 PM   #45
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I'm not even convinced that TOS took place in the 23rd Century. TMP retcon notwithstanding.
Thanks to the Great Bird of the Galaxy we have stardates instead of traditional calendar dates to refer to.


Nice "class of 78" speculations presented here, maybe there had been a class in 2178 that became famous because it had the best of the best students and eventually became a colloquialism for the best classes in Starfleet in the subsequent years.

Thus Data wasn't providing information regarding the actual year but only that he had been privileged to be in the best class, the "Class of 78"

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