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Old August 25 2013, 01:02 PM   #16
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Re: "You should have heard him defend you.." - really??

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He should never have been down there endangering spock's life in the first place, and though morally it was the right thing, he did alter the natural development of the Nibiru native population, and broke Starfleet's #1 directive of not interference.
There is no further development period without the interference.
Yeah, Spock's preaching to Kirk about violating the prime directive made no sense, because Spock was doing the same thing by stopping the volcano!!

Like Pike said, they were there to OBSERVE.
The Prime Directive in TOS days seemed a bit flexible.
I bet if there was dilithium on that planet the Federation would allow interference.

In TOS they were gun-ho about saving the Amerind planet even though it was pre-Warp. Spock went to a lot of trouble to save that planet even putting Kirk at risk.

It was ridiculous of Starfleet to send the 'Enterprise' to 'observe' unless Starfleet really wanted to 'observe' the captain and crew.
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Old August 25 2013, 02:38 PM   #17
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Agreed about the deception on Kirk's part being key to the disciplinary action against him. Had Kirk been up-front about Nibiru, he would've gotten a lesser punishment. If punished at all.
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Old August 25 2013, 03:45 PM   #18
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Re: "You should have heard him defend you.." - really??

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There is no further development period without the interference.
Yeah, Spock's preaching to Kirk about violating the prime directive made no sense, because Spock was doing the same thing by stopping the volcano!!

Like Pike said, they were there to OBSERVE.
The Prime Directive in TOS days seemed a bit flexible.
I bet if there was dilithium on that planet the Federation would allow interference.

In TOS they were gun-ho about saving the Amerind planet even though it was pre-Warp. Spock went to a lot of trouble to save that planet even putting Kirk at risk.

It was ridiculous of Starfleet to send the 'Enterprise' to 'observe' unless Starfleet really wanted to 'observe' the captain and crew.
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Agreed about the deception on Kirk's part being key to the disciplinary action against him. Had Kirk been up-front about Nibiru, he would've gotten a lesser punishment. If punished at all.
Except that is the case under the TOS Prime Directive.

Its sounds like they were using the evil TNG Prime Directive in this film.
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Old August 25 2013, 05:28 PM   #19
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Just to interject, the prime directive as stated by Kirk in TOS says that starfleet officers will give their lives to preserve it. We've seen Spock, especially, balk at shooting a phaser in view of natives, let alone flying a starship over their heads.

I tend to agree with most of what's been said in this thread but that bit seems to have not been mentioned.
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Old August 25 2013, 11:17 PM   #20
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Just to interject, the prime directive as stated by Kirk in TOS says that starfleet officers will give their lives to preserve it. We've seen Spock, especially, balk at shooting a phaser in view of natives, let alone flying a starship over their heads.

I tend to agree with most of what's been said in this thread but that bit seems to have not been mentioned.
The reason why no one mentions it is because it's from The Omega Glory, an episode whose ridiculousness has been acknowledged by many, and the fact that it never comes up every other time they argue about breaking the Prime Directive.

That said, if AbramsTrek went down that hardline route, it would explain why Kirk would bother lying about the whole Nibiru thing. He'd probably be demoted for not letting Spock die and saving the primitives, so lying about it would keep him out of trouble. Hell, the novelization seems to go with that take:
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“What?” Kirk gaped at him. “Oh, come on! You gotta be kidding me! No, no—maybe you’re right. I could’ve been kicked out of Starfleet altogether, right? Parsing the Prime Directive, that’s a dismissal charge. Except that it resulted in saving a burgeoning civilization from being knocked back in development a couple of thousand years. Ordinarily that’d be reason for praise and promotion. It might’ve been, too, if the whole business had been left alone for a while. Things could have been mentioned through channels, revealed quietly a little bit at a time. Starting with the xenologists’ news of the good that we did would have percolated gradually upward through Starfleet. Words would have led to papers, papers to discussion of an exception. But, oh, no, there’s no room for patience in the mind of certain officers. It’s all gotta be reported right away and by the book, or not at all.”
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Old August 26 2013, 04:29 PM   #21
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Re: "You should have heard him defend you.." - really??

MarsWeeps wrote: View Post
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He should never have been down there endangering spock's life in the first place, and though morally it was the right thing, he did alter the natural development of the Nibiru native population, and broke Starfleet's #1 directive of not interference.
There is no further development period without the interference.
Yeah, Spock's preaching to Kirk about violating the prime directive made no sense, because Spock was doing the same thing by stopping the volcano!!

Like Pike said, they were there to OBSERVE.
Yes, but if Kirk didn't pull the Enterprise out of the water, the aliens wouldn't have known why the volcano stopped.

They were already violating the prime directive, but it was a clear violation once they exposed the ship.



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Old August 26 2013, 04:36 PM   #22
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Remember..this is all an alternate reality so all we know about Starfleet and the people are all brand new and the old stuff we know can be thrown out. Anything goes and we are establishing new canon here.
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