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Old August 25 2013, 04:10 AM   #16
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Re: Alternative Factor - Worst Episode Ever?

I'll watch "The Alternative Factor" over most of contemporary Trek particularly anything from ENT or VOY.
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Old August 25 2013, 05:52 AM   #17
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I don't know about it being the worst, but it was certainly poorly written, poorly executed, and confusing as hell. As with all of TOS, there are elements of it that are good. For example, I loved Lazarus's little ship, a nice retro-throwback to the golden age of sci-fi. It also had a unique from-behind f/x shot of the Enterprise firing its phasers at the ship on the planet surface below.

It was still better than most of the Voyager episodes that I've seen.
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Old August 25 2013, 06:13 AM   #18
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As long as And the Children Shall Lead... exists, it is no contest.
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Old August 25 2013, 07:57 AM   #19
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I don't know about it being the worst, but it was certainly poorly written, poorly executed, and confusing as hell. As with all of TOS, there are elements of it that are good. For example, I loved Lazarus's little ship, a nice retro-throwback to the golden age of sci-fi. It also had a unique from-behind f/x shot of the Enterprise firing its phasers at the ship on the planet surface below.

It was still better than most of the Voyager episodes that I've seen.
Speaking of the Lazarus ship, has anyone figured out what it was? I mean, Star Trek recycled everything, and while I know the dome from the ship appeared as set dressing for other episodes, the ship only being used once makes me think it was something rented or borrowed, since otherwise I'd have expected to see it reused.
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Old August 25 2013, 12:09 PM   #20
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Not to dis the OP, but we just recently had a thread that went around the block a few times regarding this episode.
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Old August 25 2013, 12:24 PM   #21
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I love The Alternative Factor, always have - highly enjoyable entry. I also love The Empath and, of course, Let That Be Your Last Battlefield! Honestly, I really wonder what pipe those who vote The Trouble With Tribbles "da best episode evah's" are smoking.
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Old August 25 2013, 01:13 PM   #22
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Re: Alternative Factor - Worst Episode Ever?

I don't really understand the 'hate'.
Sure they pfaffed around a bit. I couldn't tell one Lazurus from the other but I didn't really care.
The episode had great science fiction themes.
There were a lot worse episodes and a lot more boring.

I loved how Starfleet retreated all their ships away from a threat to the 'universe'. Where were those other ships going to hide? LOL.
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Old August 25 2013, 01:31 PM   #23
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The only thing I "hate" about The Alternative Factor is that it could have been a really, really good episode. There's an interesting story here. I don't know if it was bad writing, re-writing, editing, or whatever that made the show turn out as it did.

Maybe some imaginative writer could do a re-imagining of this story someday and clear up the mud.
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Old August 25 2013, 01:37 PM   #24
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I don't really understand the 'hate'.
It's the damn beard.

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Old August 25 2013, 01:55 PM   #25
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"The Alternative Factor" suffered a lot of backstage problems. The actor originally hired as Lazarus failed to appear on the first day, saying he forgot, resulting in the studio and/or production filing a grievance against him with the Guild. Robert Brown had to be hired at the last minute and the already built costume refitted. Then there's a questionable change in the script where a love story subplot between Lazarus and Lt. Masters was cut entirely because they'd hired a black actress for the role and were worried about offending parts of the United States.
I did not know any of this. Very interesting and explains many of the episodes faults.

I enjoyed the episode, and all of TOS really. The only Star Trek I did not like nor could I watch much of at all was Enterprise and Voyager.
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Old August 25 2013, 02:08 PM   #26
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As long as And the Children Shall Lead... exists, it is no contest.
Nah, it has the Angel chant. Like "brain and brain" from Spock's Brain or the Eden song from Way to Eden, that puts it above the Alternative Factor.
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Old August 25 2013, 02:11 PM   #27
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Oh, it's horrible alright. But it's got some comic value in Lazarus constantly falling off cliffs.
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Old August 25 2013, 02:58 PM   #28
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Speaking of the Lazarus ship, has anyone figured out what it was? I mean, Star Trek recycled everything, and while I know the dome from the ship appeared as set dressing for other episodes, the ship only being used once makes me think it was something rented or borrowed, since otherwise I'd have expected to see it reused.
It almost looks like part of an amusement park ride. But, I still love it. You could picture George Jetson driving it to work.
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Old August 25 2013, 03:01 PM   #29
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I don't really understand the 'hate'.
It's the damn beard.

Are you kidding? Have you seen some of the crazy shit some people wear on their face?

For one thing it would have been better if Lazarus had been alien. In the least you could help rationalize him surviving repeated falls off a cliff.
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Old August 25 2013, 05:10 PM   #30
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If not the worst, then let me re-phrase - could you say that this is Kirk/security at their worst? How many times are you going to let an intruder steal your d. crystals and then repeatedly fall off a cliff?
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