RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 141,569
Posts: 5,514,290
Members: 25,148
Currently online: 432
Newest member: Brian R.W.

TrekToday headlines

Two New Starships Collection Ships
By: T'Bonz on Dec 26

Captain Kirk’s Boldest Missions
By: T'Bonz on Dec 25

Trek Paper Clips
By: T'Bonz on Dec 24

Sargent Passes
By: T'Bonz on Dec 23

QMx Trek Insignia Badges
By: T'Bonz on Dec 23

And The New Director Of Star Trek 3 Is…
By: T'Bonz on Dec 23

TV Alert: Pine On Tonight Show
By: T'Bonz on Dec 22

Retro Review: The Emperor’s New Cloak
By: Michelle on Dec 20

Star Trek Opera
By: T'Bonz on Dec 19

New Abrams Project
By: T'Bonz on Dec 18


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Entertainment & Interests > TV & Media

TV & Media Non-Trek television, movies, books, music, etc.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old August 24 2013, 05:55 AM   #61
Jolly Old Krampus
Vice Admiral
 
Jolly Old Krampus's Avatar
 
Location: Gryffindorian
Re: Latest Gay Celebrity Outing

Well, you probably know your buddy more than do the rest of us. But just because a person is gay or gay_friendly doesn't mean they are incapable of saying negative things about LGBT people or homosexuality in general. I believe that was the original point.

Edit: Response to NF
__________________
"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
--Bilbo Baggins, LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring
Jolly Old Krampus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 24 2013, 05:56 AM   #62
DalekJim
Fleet Captain
 
DalekJim's Avatar
 
Location: Great Britain
Re: Latest Gay Celebrity Outing

J. Allen wrote: View Post
Actually, it's rather difficult to offend me, but I don't hesitate to say when something doesn't pass the smell test. Your posts do not. You are either very inexperienced with the community, and are attempting to shore up your credibility on the matter, or you are making it up on the spot. Neither option speaks well of your intent.
What intent? I just said I'd done gay stuff. I wasn't trying to hate monger in some incredibly subversive, unconventional way by using that term. That's just how people fucking talk.

I'm done because this is bonkers. Fucking bonkers. I'd apologise for any offence caused, but I'm not. Anybody offended by me describing my male sexual experiences as "gay" acts is just milking my tolerance-nipples raw to feed their own feral ego.
DalekJim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 24 2013, 05:59 AM   #63
Nagisa Furukawa
Commander
 
Nagisa Furukawa's Avatar
 
Re: Latest Gay Celebrity Outing

J. Allen wrote: View Post
Your posts do not. You are either very inexperienced with the community
Why the fuck do you keep bringing up "the community"? He's obviously not part of any kind of community; he's just had same-sex experiences. Finding other people who share similar interests and forming a community/sub-culture can be a great and empowering thing, but when people start doubting someone else's experiences because they didn't use the same words as you, it's no different from the exclusionary Cool Kids bullies of high school movies.
__________________
I am the one who guided you this far.
Nagisa Furukawa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 24 2013, 06:03 AM   #64
teacake
Fleet Admiral
 
teacake's Avatar
 
Location: Google's ass cave full of the lush, lush asses they have stolen.
Re: Latest Gay Celebrity Outing

I don't see how saying, "I've done gay stuff" is any different than saying "I've had some same sex experiences". It sounds a little more down to earth really.

And I can totally see a gay person saying "I've done straight stuff". It just means you've been there but it's not your main identity.
__________________

"Damnit Spock. God damnit!" Kirk ST:V
■ ■ ■
Janeway does Melbourne
teacake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 24 2013, 06:07 AM   #65
Nagisa Furukawa
Commander
 
Nagisa Furukawa's Avatar
 
Re: Latest Gay Celebrity Outing

teacake wrote: View Post
I don't see how saying, "I've done gay stuff" is any different than saying "I've had some same sex experiences". It sounds a little more down to earth really.

And I can totally see a gay person saying "I've done straight stuff". It just means you've been there but it's not your main identity.
Yup, just a down to earth, casual way of referring to what he's done in the past is exactly what I took from his posts, not "Ah-ha! He used the wrong words therefore he's obviously a liar!"
__________________
I am the one who guided you this far.
Nagisa Furukawa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 24 2013, 06:15 AM   #66
sojourner
Admiral
 
sojourner's Avatar
 
Location: I'm at WKRP
Re: Latest Gay Celebrity Outing

So, does DalekJim call you on the phone whenever he gets in an internet argument? It's just uncanny how fast you show up to help him out every time.
__________________
Baby, you and me were never meant to be, just maybe think of me once in a while...
sojourner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 24 2013, 06:16 AM   #67
Santa Claus
Digitally Assisted
 
Santa Claus's Avatar
 
Location: J. Allen's Rooftop
Send a message via ICQ to Santa Claus Send a message via AIM to Santa Claus Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to Santa Claus Send a message via Yahoo to Santa Claus
Re: Latest Gay Celebrity Outing

DalekJim wrote: View Post
What intent? I just said I'd done gay stuff. I wasn't trying to hate monger in some incredibly subversive, unconventional way by using that term. That's just how people fucking talk.

I'm done because this is bonkers. Fucking bonkers. I'd apologise for any offence caused, but I'm not. Anybody offended by me describing my male sexual experiences as "gay" acts is just milking my tolerance-nipples raw to feed their own feral ego.
Good night and good luck.

Nagisa Furukawa wrote: View Post
Why the fuck do you keep bringing up "the community"? He's obviously not part of any kind of community; he's just had same-sex experiences. Finding other people who share similar interests and forming a community/sub-culture can be a great and empowering thing, but when people start doubting someone else's experiences because they didn't use the same words as you, it's no different from the exclusionary Cool Kids bullies of high school movies.
No bullying here, just making an assessment based on what I've seen in this thread. He is free to explain what he meant, and I would listen to that explanation. Instead, he's chosen to throw a fit. That is his prerogative, of course, but it doesn't help him.

teacake wrote: View Post
I don't see how saying, "I've done gay stuff" is any different than saying "I've had some same sex experiences". It sounds a little more down to earth really.

And I can totally see a gay person saying "I've done straight stuff". It just means you've been there but it's not your main identity.
To me, "I've done gay stuff" sounds like "I've got black friends," which is something I often hear from people like my quite racist extended family when they wish to justify behaviors and statements that can be seen as bigoted or ignorant.

I could be wrong, of course, and I'm always open to the possibility that I am wrong, but that is what I've assessed by reading this thread.
__________________

❄ A Joyful Holiday Season to You All! ❄

Santa Claus is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 24 2013, 06:23 AM   #68
Nagisa Furukawa
Commander
 
Nagisa Furukawa's Avatar
 
Re: Latest Gay Celebrity Outing

sojourner wrote: View Post
So, does DalekJim call you on the phone whenever he gets in an internet argument? It's just uncanny how fast you show up to help him out every time.
Online chat, actually. And there's usually a fair amount of posts he usually goes through in a debate and I read with no intention of entering before I see something from someone that I find so ridiculous I can't help but comment on, this time being the idea that there's something wrong with DalekJim simply because of the number of people who told him he's wrong and later because of the implication that due to his terminology, DalekJim lied about his personal life.
__________________
I am the one who guided you this far.
Nagisa Furukawa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 24 2013, 06:23 AM   #69
teacake
Fleet Admiral
 
teacake's Avatar
 
Location: Google's ass cave full of the lush, lush asses they have stolen.
Re: Latest Gay Celebrity Outing

So you haven't done gay stuff?

Do you want to do gay stuff?

I thought you (J. Allen) liked pan stuff!

See, it really depends on who says it. Sometimes it's tempting to read everything badly if you already think someone is a tool. But it's not always helpful to do that in my opinion.
__________________

"Damnit Spock. God damnit!" Kirk ST:V
■ ■ ■
Janeway does Melbourne
teacake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 24 2013, 06:26 AM   #70
Guy Gardener
Fleet Admiral
 
Guy Gardener's Avatar
 
Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.
Re: Latest Gay Celebrity Outing

Remember Heathers?

Buying bottled water used to qualify as "I've done gay stuff"
__________________
"Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft."

Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz
Guy Gardener is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 24 2013, 06:27 AM   #71
DalekJim
Fleet Captain
 
DalekJim's Avatar
 
Location: Great Britain
Re: Latest Gay Celebrity Outing

J. Allen wrote: View Post
To me, "I've done gay stuff" sounds like "I've got black friends," which is something I often hear from people like my quite racist extended family when they wish to justify behaviors and statements that can be seen as bigoted or ignorant.
What have I actually said that is homophobic? What opinion would I even be trying to justify? I have no agenda here, I've repeatedly stated my views on homosexuality. I have some conservative political views, but on what would be termed "social issues" such as sexuality and drug use, I'm as "liberal" as they come.

Guy Gardener wrote: View Post
Remember Heathers?
Christian Slater's best role, not counting his iconic scene in Star Trek VI.
DalekJim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 24 2013, 06:27 AM   #72
Nagisa Furukawa
Commander
 
Nagisa Furukawa's Avatar
 
Re: Latest Gay Celebrity Outing

J. Allen wrote: View Post
No bullying here, just making an assessment based on what I've seen in this thread. He is free to explain what he meant, and I would listen to that explanation. Instead, he's chosen to throw a fit.
Well, implying that someone's a liar does tend to irritate people I've noticed.

but it doesn't help him.
His reaction to getting accused of being false doesn't have anything to do with the truth of his statement one way or another. Innocent people can get guilty and guilt people can be smooth as a sailor.
__________________
I am the one who guided you this far.
Nagisa Furukawa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 24 2013, 06:28 AM   #73
Santa Claus
Digitally Assisted
 
Santa Claus's Avatar
 
Location: J. Allen's Rooftop
Send a message via ICQ to Santa Claus Send a message via AIM to Santa Claus Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to Santa Claus Send a message via Yahoo to Santa Claus
Re: Latest Gay Celebrity Outing

teacake wrote: View Post
So you haven't done gay stuff?

Do you want to do gay stuff?

I thought you (J. Allen) liked pan stuff!

See, it really depends on who says it. Sometimes it's tempting to read everything badly if you already think someone is a tool. But it's not always helpful to do that in my opinion.
That's a fair point, and I could have been filtering the words through too much of my own bias.

I will say that it is the first time I have ever heard anyone use the term "gay stuff," outside of an insult, so my own experiences may have colored it as well.
__________________

❄ A Joyful Holiday Season to You All! ❄

Santa Claus is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 24 2013, 06:29 AM   #74
teacake
Fleet Admiral
 
teacake's Avatar
 
Location: Google's ass cave full of the lush, lush asses they have stolen.
Re: Latest Gay Celebrity Outing

Smooth as a sailor?
__________________

"Damnit Spock. God damnit!" Kirk ST:V
■ ■ ■
Janeway does Melbourne
teacake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 24 2013, 06:29 AM   #75
sojourner
Admiral
 
sojourner's Avatar
 
Location: I'm at WKRP
Re: Latest Gay Celebrity Outing

Nagisa Furukawa wrote: View Post
sojourner wrote: View Post
So, does DalekJim call you on the phone whenever he gets in an internet argument? It's just uncanny how fast you show up to help him out every time.
Online chat, actually. And there's usually a fair amount of posts he usually goes through in a debate and I read with no intention of entering before I see something from someone that I find so ridiculous I can't help but comment on, this time being the idea that there's something wrong with DalekJim simply because of the number of people who told him he's wrong and later because of the implication that due to his terminology, DalekJim lied about his personal life.
Well there's one of my favorite quotes from Justified:

"Run into an asshole in the morning , well, you ran into an asshole. Run into assholes all day long, guess what? You're the asshole".

Which is basically what DalekJim is being told.
__________________
Baby, you and me were never meant to be, just maybe think of me once in a while...
sojourner is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 01:04 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.