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Old August 20 2013, 02:20 PM   #16
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Re: Why do some people so passionately hate Rod Roddenberry?

I've seen him twice at conventions. Each time he went up on stage to promote his website. Whether he intended it to or not, it came off as a sales pitch, it felt like he was trying to cash in on his dad's name. I don't know if that's what he's trying to do, but when he was on stage that's how it came off. And that I think rubbed people the wrong way
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Old August 20 2013, 08:41 PM   #17
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Re: Why do some people so passionately hate Rod Roddenberry?

I don't hate him, and I thought that Trek Nation was great. I wish that there were more Trek-related documentaries out there, any opportunity to document and preserve behind-the-scenes stories and details while people are still with us is always welcome.
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Old August 20 2013, 09:06 PM   #18
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Re: Why do some people so passionately hate Rod Roddenberry?

I'm sort of surprised Rod didn't change his name to Barrett, with the Legend of Roddenberry hanging on the name. All his life, anyone who met him and recognized the name might have always started with saying something about Trek. He must have gotten sick of it.
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Old August 20 2013, 09:23 PM   #19
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Re: Why do some people so passionately hate Rod Roddenberry?

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Rod, Berman, Braga, Abrams...fans always find someone to hate.
True.

But also Nimoy, Stewart, Moore, Sternbach, Goldsmith... fans always find someone to love, too.

Works both ways, fans aren't unduly cruel.
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Old August 21 2013, 01:02 AM   #20
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I first noticed this listening to a podcast (and frankly it was so vehement that I won't be listening ever again) and then in the thread about Gene's daughters. What exactly is the problem that some people have with the man?
I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. You really never know the things that drive family dynamics, and relationships. I listen to his "Mission Log" podcast religiously, although he doesn't host it, John Champion and Ken (Mac OS Ken) Ray do. He has appeared a few times as a guest, and he doesn't rub me the wrong way.
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Old August 21 2013, 01:37 AM   #21
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Re: Why do some people so passionately hate Rod Roddenberry?

He is the only son of Gene and Majel, the creator of Trek and the woman who has been in every incarnation of Trek in one way or another over the last 50 years. What he chooses to do with his name is up to him.

Whether carrying the Roddenberry name is a blessing or a curse, it's his to explore and deal with in whatever way suits him.

YMMV.
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Old August 21 2013, 01:50 AM   #22
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Re: Why do some people so passionately hate Rod Roddenberry?

I'm indifferent to him. So what if he's milking the franchise? He's not the first kid to "rediscover" their parents when they die with a wealthy estate and business.
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Old August 21 2013, 03:02 AM   #23
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Re: Why do some people so passionately hate Rod Roddenberry?

Thank you to everyone who has replied.

It looks as if the couple of people who posted such venom in another thread either have not visited this thread, or have not been willing to speak on behalf of their reasons for such hatred.

Speaking for myself I will confess that I was not certain what to make of Rod at first. But I enjoyed Trek Nation immensely and I enjoyed his honesty in that at first he not only did not "get" Trek but even kind of resented the place it took in his father's life. I appreciate that he seems to be making an honest effort to understand and respect both it and it's fans. I also appreciate that he is trying to understand his father as a human being with all his amazing vision, and flaws.

I also personally get the sense that he is trying to help grow the Trek "brand" in a way that keeps it relevant without demeaning its essence.

Ultimately I think he's somebody I'd enjoy meeting and having a conversation with.

Frankly the haters come across as small minded, petty, and jealous.
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Old August 21 2013, 04:24 AM   #24
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Re: Why do some people so passionately hate Rod Roddenberry?

Because open minded people use the word hater.
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Old August 21 2013, 08:05 AM   #25
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Re: Why do some people so passionately hate Rod Roddenberry?

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Because open minded people use the word hater.
*raises an eyebrow* I am curious about this tendency that some people have to make such statements in the course of a discussion.

Perhaps you would be so good as to enlighten me on a few points.

1: Since I at no time made a claim in this discussion as regards my open mindedness nor lack thereof what precisely is the genesis of your comment?

2: Since your comment does not seem to contribute anything of substance to the discussion and rather seems to be a thinly veiled personal attack I am wondering if the emoticon at the end is being used by you because you are marginally aware that your words appear hostile and rather then reconsider posting them you are trying to get out of having to deal with their potential repercussions? Or are you someone who believes that you can say anything you like without having to deal with recriminations so long as you post a winking emoticon after the text?

3: The comments I have read/heard in which Rod is called or implied to be, only interested in Star Trek for the money, a huckster etc seem to place the commenters squarely within the bounds of the colloquialism "hater". Said colloquialism denotes someone with a negative opinion of another person that has little to no basis in fact and is derived mostly from personal usually emotional reasons. Given that you were one of the chief persons making disparaging comments in another thread I am curious if you are objecting to the term hater because it is inaccurate? Or is it because you have no facts with which to respond and therefore are engaged in the time honored practice of nitpicking verbiage as a means of obfuscation?

Thank you in advance for your replies which I am quite certain will be as illuminating and important to this discussion as your prior comment was.

Peace and long life.
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Old August 21 2013, 02:40 PM   #26
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Re: Why do some people so passionately hate Rod Roddenberry?

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Frankly the haters come across as small minded, petty, and jealous.
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Because open minded people use the word hater.
*raises an eyebrow* I am curious about this tendency that some people have to make such statements in the course of a discussion.
I'm curious why you don't think that your initial statement was somewhat offensive. It sounds to me that you are referring to anyone who disagrees with you as small-minded, petty and jealous. Perhaps I misunderstand. I hope so.

I'm relatively new here so if this criticism is out-of-line for this site I apologise.

As regards to Rod Rodenberry I've never met him, don't know much about him personally and if he can make some money out of Star Trek I think good on him.
I don't know how people can 'hate' somebody if they don't really know them. They can hate what he represents I suppose.
But I don't because the more people who contribute to the Star Trek legend the better it is IMO
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Old August 21 2013, 04:33 PM   #27
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CommishSleer wrote: View Post
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Frankly the haters come across as small minded, petty, and jealous.
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Because open minded people use the word hater.
*raises an eyebrow* I am curious about this tendency that some people have to make such statements in the course of a discussion.
I'm curious why you don't think that your initial statement was somewhat offensive. It sounds to me that you are referring to anyone who disagrees with you as small-minded, petty and jealous. Perhaps I misunderstand. I hope so.

I'm relatively new here so if this criticism is out-of-line for this site I apologise.

As regards to Rod Rodenberry I've never met him, don't know much about him personally and if he can make some money out of Star Trek I think good on him.
I don't know how people can 'hate' somebody if they don't really know them. They can hate what he represents I suppose.

But I don't because the more people who contribute to the Star Trek legend the better it is IMO
I am going to assume that you are referring to what was actually my second post in this thread rather than my first which was the genesis of the thread itself.

And as you have posted an actual contribution instead of a snide aside I'm perfectly happy to reply.

I have no problem at all with people with opinions differing from mine. In fact one of the reasons why I did not post again in this thread after my initial post was because I wanted to hear people's opinions without deforming them with my own.

However some of the snideness and vitriol that I have come across as regards Rod does not sound like opinion and a great deal more like gleeful character assassination.

One of the best comments in this thread was the person who said that when Rod was onstage at a con talking about projects/products he was involved with/pushing that he came off a bit like a shill. That was a good comment because it was intelligent, and was about behavior instead of simply mindlessly slagging him off or making snide comments about how he must only be in it for the money.

If the person to whom I replied had offered an actual comment disagreeing with me I would have had no problem with what was written. But instead there was an attempt to dismiss what I said with a thinly veiled pseudo critical attack and then to pretend that it was not meant to be offensive by "buying it back" with an emoticon.

Ultimately I stand by my assessment. If you are going to call a person horrible names and impugn their character and then offer no evidence whatsoever to support your assertions then to me you fall into the category of hater and most haters hate because of something being lacking within themselves that they are unwilling or unable to address, and the most common lacks include small mindedness, pettiness and jealousy.

I will say that I think your statement is quite accurate that they don't actually hate Rod Roddennberry but rather what he represents to them. Which makes it all the more sad to me.

Finally in the spirit of openness and honesty I will say that the smaller emotional part of myself is screamingly jealous. I mean here's a college dropout who kind of fell assbackward into a life where he pretty much gets to do anything that interests him instead of being stuck in a hamster wheel job with negative meaning like the majority of us.

However I like to think that I'm mature enough to look at this person objectively and not let such feelings hijack my opinions.

Thank you for your comments.

Live long and prosper.

Peace and long life.
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Old August 21 2013, 08:22 PM   #28
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Because open minded people use the word hater.
*raises an eyebrow* I am curious about this tendency that some people have to make such statements in the course of a discussion.
The term "hater" generally raises eyebrows in and of itself because, particularly in recent years, it has been used rather generously by many who wish to invoke a visceral negative emotional response against someone with an alternative point of view. It is used with great zeal by many on all sides of the political spectrum as a tool of vilification to discredit someone with opinion rather than fact. So, when the word "hater" is used, it is not generally within the boundaries of rational discussion or debate.

To answer your question in the OP, I don't dislike Rod at all. He does come off a bit whiny at times, but that's just me. As others have said, it's his legacy, and he is free to explore it as he sees fit. If he makes some bucks off it on the side, good on him. IIRC, he was instrumental in building http://www.roddenberry.com/ (along with Majel, perhaps?) MANY years before "Trek Nation", specializing in scripts and fairly high-quality props. Interestingly, I believe he fell prey to the Paramount legal team on the sale of unauthorized props, as many other fan efforts have in the past 2 decades, and was was forced to become "officially licensed", meaning he had to give Paramount their vig. At least, that's how I remember it. I get the impression that he embraced Trek and made it a part of his life for a lot longer than just these recent interviews.
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Old August 23 2013, 12:18 PM   #29
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Re: Why do some people so passionately hate Rod Roddenberry?

While I don't really have a strong position on the man, at one point in Trek Nation (iirc) he said something to the effect that the fact that his father regularly cheated on his mother made him respect his father more.

Have to admit that made me regard him in a slightly negative light.

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Old August 23 2013, 02:16 PM   #30
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I remember that - I think what he meant by that statement was that by doing the cheating somehow made Gene more human and fallible to Rod. That made Rod appreciate him more somehow as not being this distant, larger-than-life and mysterious authority figure, although I can't remember what his exact words were...

But you're right, it did seem to come out a little sideways in the interview.
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