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View Poll Results: Please Vote for Favorite Book of these 4
The Better Man 2 8.70%
Dreams of the Raven 10 43.48%
Shadows of the Sun 9 39.13%
A Choice of Catastrophes 2 8.70%
Voters: 23. You may not vote on this poll

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Old August 22 2013, 08:16 AM   #31
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Re: Opinions on the Following McCoy Centered Books

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I liked all 4 of the choices, but I had to go with Dreams of the Raven as my favorite in the poll. If I had to pick my all-time favorite McCoy novel, though, I'd have to go with Provenance of Shadows.
This. Very much this.

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I hate the Crucible series.
Really? You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but you would be one of the very few, I think. Why didn't you like it?
I don't want to spoil them for anyone who hasn't read them.

And I've become aware that authors post here (finally). Still I've already said it.
I'll just say I think they are probably well-written and give great detail. I just don't like the general overall theme of all 3 books.
My opinion is that the characters particularly Kirk don't act as I expect them to. I think of it as a sort of an AU. Can't say more without giving it away.

Obviously other people think differently.

They are my 3rd most hated Star Trek novels (how pathetic to have a hated Star Trek book list )
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Old August 22 2013, 06:13 PM   #32
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I haven't read it yet, aside from the cover blurb, but didn't Crossover have McCoy hijacking a starship?
Thanks for the rec, it is one that I was not familiar with so I have added it to my possible to read list.

However reviews for it are mixed as well with a lot of reviewers saying they don't like how McCoy is written so that makes me a bit hesitant.
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Old August 22 2013, 06:57 PM   #33
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CommishSleer wrote: View Post
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I liked all 4 of the choices, but I had to go with Dreams of the Raven as my favorite in the poll. If I had to pick my all-time favorite McCoy novel, though, I'd have to go with Provenance of Shadows.
This. Very much this.

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I hate the Crucible series.
Really? You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but you would be one of the very few, I think. Why didn't you like it?
I don't want to spoil them for anyone who hasn't read them.

And I've become aware that authors post here (finally). Still I've already said it.
I'll just say I think they are probably well-written and give great detail. I just don't like the general overall theme of all 3 books.
My opinion is that the characters particularly Kirk don't act as I expect them to. I think of it as a sort of an AU. Can't say more without giving it away.

Obviously other people think differently.

They are my 3rd most hated Star Trek novels (how pathetic to have a hated Star Trek book list )
I will confess that I am not precisely a fan of the Crucible series either. It's an interesting idea, and I did enjoy the McCoy entry. But I found them overall to be much darker than I cared for. I personally did not agree with the authors choices in the Spock entry (While not an invalid choice I personally feel that Kolinahr is something he long since put in his past). For the Kirk entry well frankly I chose not to even read it in part because of it's rather slim page count (especially compared to the others).

Frankly while it was an interesting idea I for one am exceptionally glad that they are a continuity unto themselves and therefore don't have to be considered in the novelverse continuity that predominates these days.
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Old August 22 2013, 07:57 PM   #34
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Re: Opinions on the Following McCoy Centered Books

Trek fiction is best enjoyed in general if you don't try to twist yourself into working it all into a single continuity. Can't be done, and trying to do so ruins the fun anyway. Hell, just the numbered TOS books would have taken about 100 years, give or take, to complete, and they only had 5, so instead of forcing it, just enjoy the stories.

The newer TNG/DS9/VOY era books work pretty tightly, but i'd bet you could even find issues there, and definitely don't always work with the old stuff.

It's ok, just have fun with the chracters. Continuity and canon just take the fun out of it
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Old August 22 2013, 09:36 PM   #35
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I have only read the McCoy part of the Crucible series. And like I said I did enjoy it overall, it had a lot of really great moments.

But I think the ultimate conclusion for both McCoy's was really disappointing. McCoy's "problem" didn't match with my own feelings for the character. Of course that is not the author's fault. After all McCoy is in many ways a blank slate that different interpretations of his character are entirely possible.

But let's just say I was hoping for something more with the book. However that is really only the ending. There to me is still a lot of great stuff in the book.

Now I can't speak for Spock and Kirk since I have not read those yet.
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Old August 23 2013, 03:20 AM   #36
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The first two Crucible books were great.

But, it felt like the author was building toward some deep revelation about Kirk's character in the third novel. What was really going on inside his head as he stepped off the transporter platform after Edith's death? How did her death affect him so deeply, and why?

However, as DRG3 said in the intro to book 3: "I can't write that book" or something to that effect. Instead, it was a very surface level adventure story, very short, very little character insight. (Character insight is what had made the first two great.) On the whole, the trilogy is worth reading, at least for the first two entires.

But I felt like the third book punted on the whole premise of the series.
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Old August 25 2013, 03:23 AM   #37
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Re: Opinions on the Following McCoy Centered Books

My solution is to dump the poll. It's worthless anyway. Just read all four and enjoy them.
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Old August 25 2013, 04:35 AM   #38
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Re: Opinions on the Following McCoy Centered Books

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Wow! It's really hard to pick a favorite I also Like Doctor's Orders by Diane Duane and the Crucible Novel about McCoy is also really good.I really like A choice of Catastrophies & Dreams of the ravens. Also there's another McCoy novel about McCoy and his daughter Joanna Crisis on Centaurus.by Brad Ferguson
All I remember about Crisis on Centaurus is that everybody keeps putting on and taking off their sunglasses (seriously).

One of my favorite McCoy-centric novels is The Romulan Way by Diane Duane. McCoy is sent to make contact with an undercover agent feared to have "gone native". It's a very good adventure story.

I loved the Crucible novel about McCoy. It's by far the best of the three.

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Although technically not McCoy centered I would also reccomend Spock's World as it gives McCoy some of his finest moments especially when he gives an impassioned speech which elicits a surprising response from a Vulcan science officer of his acquaintance.
Absolutely! This is one of my favorite Star Trek books, ever. And the speech referred to gave me insights that apply to RL politics going on in Canada - if you try to break up a political/cultural entity, who profits?

Heck, just read all of Diane Duane's books. She couldn't write a bad Star Trek novel if she tried.
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Old August 25 2013, 11:52 AM   #39
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My solution is to dump the poll. It's worthless anyway. Just read all four and enjoy them.
But it wasn't worthless for me. Just because people say they like all 4 the fact that there are clearly two books ahead of the others says a lot to me.

And besides the fact people can still vote for one but share their feelings for all 4 in the comments.
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Old August 26 2013, 01:24 AM   #40
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Heck, just read all of Diane Duane's books. She couldn't write a bad Star Trek novel if she tried.
Got to agree with that. She is great.
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