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Old August 21 2013, 12:24 PM   #16
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Re: DS9/VOY...if it happened differently...

I'm so happy that DS9 was left to develop the way it did, though I do think some connection between VOY and TNG/DS9 would've been good.

There were of course all the rumours going round about a character from "Lower Decks" getting a part on VOY, and of course Ro Laren becoming a regular. There was also Sisko's friend who worked in the DMZ (whose name I cannot remember!) that they could have had in place of Chakotay.
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Old August 21 2013, 03:29 PM   #17
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Re: DS9/VOY...if it happened differently...

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carrying DS9's writing staff over to Voyager would have been the crucial thing!
The crucial thing would've been VOY being given more time to think it's plot through and iron out the conceptual problems, and not worry about network interference.
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Old August 21 2013, 07:35 PM   #18
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Many of the writers for DS9 and Voyager were the same
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Old August 21 2013, 08:35 PM   #19
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The core writing crew (credits on 10+ episodes) for DS9 was Beimler, Behr, Wolfe, Fields, Echevarria, Moore, Weddle, and Thompson. For Voyager, Braga, Menosky, Jeri Taylor, Michael Taylor, Biller, Klink, and Fuller. The only significant writer they shared was Michael Piller, who left DS9 after season 2 but only wrote 8 Voyager episodes.

So, the two staffs did not significantly contribute to each other's shows.
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Old August 22 2013, 09:22 AM   #20
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Yeah, the two staffs for the two shows did not really work that much together. When TNG and DS9 was airing together, and TNG ended, part of the TNG writing staff shifted to DS9, while part of the staff shifted to work on Voyager. After DS9 ended, Ronald D. Moore did join the writing staff of Voy, but quit after creative differences. Voyager was very episodic in format.

I think having two series of the same franchise air at the same time was very synergistic. Often, Voyager would air on primetime on Wednesdays, while DS9 aired on Thursdays or the weekends weekends where I was at. TNG was also on reruns at night. It did build momentum for the series, similar to how Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis worked really well when paired together on Fridays.
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Old August 22 2013, 10:48 PM   #21
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There was also Sisko's friend who worked in the DMZ (whose name I cannot remember!) that they could have had in place of Chakotay.
Cal Hudson played by Bernie Casey. That would've been interesting as he certainly wasn't a dull character, whatever else. Sisko's former friend would've been something of a tie in to the series.
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Old August 22 2013, 11:10 PM   #22
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There wouldn't have been that first season theme where Maquis & Starfleet crews had to learn to work together. The Maquis would of been wiped out or in prisons still by the time Voyager departed.
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Old August 23 2013, 02:15 AM   #23
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Obviously that premise was swapping Hudson for Chakotay as the show was. Besides, I'd bet they offered a job to every Maquis in prison in exchange for parole, as the war got worse and their manpower was depleting itself.
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Old August 23 2013, 02:49 AM   #24
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Berman certainly thought it was a bad idea to have VOY and DS9 on at the same time, at least. At least they only did DS9 when TNG would be off the air in a while.
Berman and Piller had approached the studio around TNG's fourth season to do a TNG spinoff. It was the studio who didn't think they should air two Trek shows simultaneously. It may be that Berman didn't think doing VOY was a good idea at all. I remember in an interview shortly after DS9 premiered, the interviewer asked Berman when it would be time to create the next Trek series, and Berman laughed it off as a joke and said something to the effect of that being pushing it too far and implying that he wouldn't have anything to do with it (I think this was in one of those Cinefantastique annual Trek issues). It wasn't long afterward that VOY (and UPN) was announced. The studio had done a complete 180 degree turnaround in its opinion of having two Treks on at the same time. They became convinced that Trekkers would eat up anything with the name Star Trek on it and wanted a show to replace TNG when it went to movies (and, of course, to be the UPN flagship series).
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Old August 23 2013, 03:49 AM   #25
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If Voyager was supposed to be a TNG spinoff, I suppose mission accomplished. Beyond not being able to set course to Starbase random number at the end of each episode, Voyager was a lot like TNG lite.
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Old August 23 2013, 03:53 AM   #26
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VOY used a lot of leftover TNG scripts, due to the Producers never being able to agree on what kind of show to do and them more or less being rushed into production.

VOY really should've come after DS9. Just use Romulans as the second crew and have VOY be investigating missing ships along the Neutral Zone.

Or just have a lot of the Starfleet crew be killed by being pulled to the DQ and have them be replaced by various DQ aliens being held on the Caretaker's Array. That would give them a more immediate connection to the DQ and better ways of fleshing it out.
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Old August 23 2013, 04:40 AM   #27
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Or just have a lot of the Starfleet crew be killed by being pulled to the DQ and have them be replaced by various DQ aliens being held on the Caretaker's Array. That would give them a more immediate connection to the DQ and better ways of fleshing it out.
Oooooh, I like that idea. Just the concept of the federation portion of the crew being outnumbered and forced to live by and answer to a different set of rules and ideals on their way back home. Very interesting!
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Old August 23 2013, 04:53 AM   #28
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Or just have a lot of the Starfleet crew be killed by being pulled to the DQ and have them be replaced by various DQ aliens being held on the Caretaker's Array. That would give them a more immediate connection to the DQ and better ways of fleshing it out.
Oooooh, I like that idea. Just the concept of the federation portion of the crew being outnumbered and forced to live by and answer to a different set of rules and ideals on their way back home. Very interesting!
And unlike the Maquis, having the crew be DQ aliens would give more connection to the DQ and more ability to flesh it out and give them external plots to drive the show.

Plus, with around half the crew not being from the Federation would raise the question of what would happen to them if a way back home WAS found. Because the Federation isn't home to any of them.
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Old August 23 2013, 10:25 AM   #29
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Cal Hudson played by Bernie Casey. That would've been interesting as he certainly wasn't a dull character, whatever else. Sisko's former friend would've been something of a tie in to the series.
That's him, thanks R.Star!

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Obviously that premise was swapping Hudson for Chakotay as the show was. Besides, I'd bet they offered a job to every Maquis in prison in exchange for parole, as the war got worse and their manpower was depleting itself.
He was a good solid actor and an interesting character who we actually saw turn his back on Starfleet for what he believed was a just cause. I'd have found him more enjoyable to watch in a series.

I'd assume that Starfleet would be willing to overlook Maquis affiliation in the midst of the war in order to boost their numbers--desperate times and all that.
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Old August 23 2013, 10:42 AM   #30
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Heck, Starfleet was willing to overlook Eddington's affiliation with the Maquis... to save them from themselves. It's really sad, that their greatest enemy in that regard was themselves. Eddington... and every other Maquis.... really wasn't that bad of a guy. They were right about Cardassia in the end. The Federation fucked up... that is all the 2370 treaty was about.

I mean no disrespect to the Native Americans.... who by being in space are no longer native or american.... but Chakotay's imaginary tribe is a freaking insult. If you're going to invent a culture at least make it one that is realistic. I completely own up to the fact that we Westerners screwed the Native Americans.... but parodying them isn't the way to own up to it.
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