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Old August 22 2013, 03:04 PM   #31
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I thought Peri was very sure of herself, and argued against The Doctor all the time?

I also think Bryant's performance was good.
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Old August 22 2013, 03:32 PM   #32
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I watched the entire 6/Peri run 2 weeks ago.

It was just this thing Nicola did.

Six would yell at her, and then she would act afraid and back-pedal like he was going to choke her again.
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Old August 22 2013, 03:33 PM   #33
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The problem for the Sixth Doctor is that it didn't matter what the intentions for the character were since the end result was someone a large part of the audience didn't like. (And whom the stupider elements still blame for the faults of his time; as if he somehow was responsible for everything from the scripts to the studio lights being turned up far too bright to generate any atmosphere.)

Colin Baker has in fact become my favourite Classic Series Doctor but that's purely down to Big Finish giving him a version of Sixey to play that's actually likable. (While still being bombastic and a bit of a know-it-all.) Just listen to "The Wrong Doctors" where he gets to play both versions and you'll hear the difference. (Actually listen to it regardless, it's bloody brilliant.)
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Old August 22 2013, 03:34 PM   #34
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Moffat thinks it’ll be fun seeing Clara cope with the Doctor being completely different…
…”I think the fun story will be – and we have the opportunity here – is this is what regeneration can do to you. He can be very, very different.”

Didn't Rose and a few other companions go through that already?
No, not really. Like I said, the differences among the past three Doctors have been minor compared to the differences between consecutive Doctors in the original series. They've all been relatively young, good-looking, and manic with a mix of brooding and comic attributes; the differences have been more or less shifts in emphasis. It's nothing like the shock Ben and Polly went through when the Doctor they knew as a crochety, proud old gentleman turned into a feckless, Chaplinesque eccentric, or what Sarah Jane and the Brigadier had to cope with when the elegant, mature, authoritative Doctor they knew turned into a madcap iconoclast spouting nonsense, or what Peri faced when the gentle, sensitive young Doctor she knew turned into a bombastic, aggressive, unstable egomaniac who tried to strangle her within minutes of his regeneration.
Along those lines, I've occasionally wondered quite how, and when, Benton found out/was told/realised that the tall, arrogant chap working as the Brig's scientific adviser was the same person as the short, funny chap he'd met in passing during the International Electromatix business, not just someone else with the same call sign/codename.
Must have been a bit of an eye-opener, possibly explaining why nothing ever shocks him again, and why he's far more of UNIT's inner circle than his rank would dictate.
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Old August 22 2013, 03:43 PM   #35
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The problem for the Sixth Doctor is that it didn't matter what the intentions for the character were since the end result was someone a large part of the audience didn't like. (And whom the stupider elements still blame for the faults of his time; as if he somehow was responsible for everything from the scripts to the studio lights being turned up far too bright to generate any atmosphere.)

Colin Baker has in fact become my favourite Classic Series Doctor but that's purely down to Big Finish giving him a version of Sixey to play that's actually likable. (While still being bombastic and a bit of a know-it-all.) Just listen to "The Wrong Doctors" where he gets to play both versions and you'll hear the difference. (Actually listen to it regardless, it's bloody brilliant.)
The audience at the time were changing channels to watch The A-Team, it was IMO a bad decision to change the format of Doctor Who at that point in time. And really the sixth and seventh Doctors should have been thought out a bit more beforehand. And at least to my mind it takes more than one season for the writers to understand the new Dcotor and write good stories for him.
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Old August 22 2013, 03:48 PM   #36
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I’m amused that Moffat makes specific reference to Tom, yet people are seeing Colin in the description.
The emphasis on being difficult, particulary on the companion, doesn't sound like Tom at all, that's definitely more Colin.

For me the trouble with Six is not that he wasn’t like the other Doctors, it was that he seemed to take all the somewhat negative aspects of them and dial it up to 11 with no real redeeming features.
I agree with that, particularly at the beginning. I did rewatch all of Colin's stories lately, and I found them better than I remembered. However, for the most part, they still weren't top notch Doctor Who. But, my appreciation for Colin's Doctor did increase.

I just don't think we need to revisit that style. Moffat can make 12 "difficult," but he still needs other obvious redeeming characteristics that offset it.

Given Capaldi’s era as a fan I can see him being more like Pertwee than Colin. Much as I love Smith I am looking forward to a different direction.
I hope you're right. If you are, it'll all be good! And, agree about the need for changed. Loved Smith, but a very different type of Doctor about now would be perfect.

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Old August 22 2013, 04:15 PM   #37
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Along those lines, I've occasionally wondered quite how, and when, Benton found out/was told/realised that the tall, arrogant chap working as the Brig's scientific adviser was the same person as the short, funny chap he'd met in passing during the International Electromatix business, not just someone else with the same call sign/codename.
Must have been a bit of an eye-opener, possibly explaining why nothing ever shocks him again, and why he's far more of UNIT's inner circle than his rank would dictate.
Benton was always a perceptive fellow. He tended to figure things out a step or two ahead of the Brigadier and have less trouble accepting them. So if the Brig could understand that the two Doctors were the same man, Benton would have no trouble with it.
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Old August 22 2013, 04:57 PM   #38
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Along those lines, I've occasionally wondered quite how, and when, Benton found out/was told/realised that the tall, arrogant chap working as the Brig's scientific adviser was the same person as the short, funny chap he'd met in passing during the International Electromatix business, not just someone else with the same call sign/codename.
Must have been a bit of an eye-opener, possibly explaining why nothing ever shocks him again, and why he's far more of UNIT's inner circle than his rank would dictate.
Benton was always a perceptive fellow. He tended to figure things out a step or two ahead of the Brigadier and have less trouble accepting them. So if the Brig could understand that the two Doctors were the same man, Benton would have no trouble with it.
Matter of fact, this was shown in The Three Doctors, when The Brig, faced with both 2 and 3 together, was still a step or two behind Benton in "Getting it", LOL
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Old August 22 2013, 05:21 PM   #39
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There's more from the DWM article.

"...We've had- in a row- two fabulously successful, wonderful, youthful, adorable, accessible Doctors. But he's not always like that. So we were sort of thinking, you can flip him. You know, he's either the senior consultant who's secretly the undergraduate, or he's the undergraduate who's secretly the senior consultant. Those are the sort of poles of Doctorishness. He's always both, but it's which face is he showing more. But I'm saying this without actually knowing quite what Peter's going to do with it."
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Old August 22 2013, 09:23 PM   #40
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^ In the end, if Colin's Doctor teaches us anything, it's that each incarnation has to have likeable characterstics. It's not enough that the Doctor does good. He also has to be likeable to some degree.

I hope they don't go too far from the "accessible" angle. Sure, a little bit difficult is fine. All the Doctors did that but they were also still likeable to the general public.

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Old August 22 2013, 09:32 PM   #41
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According to today's Torygraph, Capaldi has said he's going to keep the Scottish accent for it
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Old August 22 2013, 09:40 PM   #42
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According to today's Torygraph, Capaldi has said he's going to keep the Scottish accent for it
So they took the actual quote from Moffat and pretended he said it instead?

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Old August 22 2013, 10:35 PM   #43
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^ I wonder what the reaction would be like if the Doctor tried to throttle her. Funnily enough I don't think there was much of a hullabaloo when Six tried to strangle Peri, but this time around it's unimaginable that there wouldn't be some controversy.
Clara would stomp on his foot, knee him in the nuts, and then punch him if he tried to throttle her.

Something tells me it wouldn't be controversial.
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Old August 22 2013, 11:14 PM   #44
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I doubt they'd ever go as far as giving us another grumpy, irritable Doctor like Six. Or making him too serious or aloof or adult like some of the other Classic Doctors.

Despite what Moffat says, I'm sure he'll still be written much like the last few Doctors. Cipaldi will just play it a bit more subdued, is all.
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Old August 22 2013, 11:24 PM   #45
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More from Moffat: “One of the horrors of regeneration is that a certain amount of his persona alters entirely. His appetites and his enthusiasms will change. And that’s sort of what I’m writing about now in Matt’s last episode, the fact that he’s terribly aware that he’s about to be rewritten. And it’s frightening.”

So basically he's taking Tennant's last line and turning it into an entire episode. Given how much froathing at the mouth and nerd rage those five words provoked, mostly from people who like to go on about how much better Moffat is than Davies, I wonder what the reaction will be like this time...
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