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Old August 22 2013, 04:28 AM   #16
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Re: Family is thinking about moving to Republic of Macedonia (FYROM)

There are two things to learn about Macedonian. First, it's kind of a Bulgarian dialect (or it's at least extremely similar to Bulgarian). Second, you probably shouldn't tell them that it's a Bulgarian dialect.
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Old August 22 2013, 04:44 AM   #17
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There are two things to learn about Macedonian. First, it's kind of a Bulgarian dialect (or it's at least extremely similar to Bulgarian). Second, you probably shouldn't tell them that it's a Bulgarian dialect.
Right. I also know its bad to mention what happened with the Albanians and anything greece related.

How should I approach people? What kind of unusual (beyond shaking hands or waving hello) greetings could there be (I.E hugging strangers. Any different (than practiced in America) customs that I should definitely pay attention to?
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Old August 22 2013, 05:21 AM   #18
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Re: Family is thinking about moving to Republic of Macedonia (FYROM)

I have no idea. I'm not the best person to ask.

Interestingly, they're not too bad on the corruption perception index (certainly better than many other Baltic neighbors and roughly comparable to Italy).
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Old August 22 2013, 09:11 AM   #19
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Re: Family is thinking about moving to Republic of Macedonia (FYROM)

Have your parents visited Macedonia?
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Old August 22 2013, 04:09 PM   #20
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Re: Family is thinking about moving to Republic of Macedonia (FYROM)

I never even heard of Macedonia until now.

Probably analogous to someone from Europe not being able to ramble off all 50 states.

Good luck with the move!
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Old August 22 2013, 05:32 PM   #21
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As Roger suggested, in many places local identities trump national identities.

I know for a fact it's true in Italy, where many people have far stronger ties to their own city (the campanile of campanilism) than with Italy as a whole. And I believe the same applies to the UK, where people identify as English, Scottish, Welsh, and Northern Irish first, and British second).

Doesn't mean the larger identity doesn't exist. But I agree it will still take a long time to establish a clear European identity. But I think we are going in that direction (well, if the economic crisis doesn't devour the Euro and the EU, of course)
Well the eurozone is different from the EU, and it's little surprise that some eurzone countries are more adversly affected by the economic downturn than others. As the one size fits all rates don't work. Unfortunatly what can happen is those ill will can raise in countries that are paying for the bailout of other countries .

But the institutions of EU are their own worse enemy, I don't feel they do a good enough job explaining what benefits it brings to the average everday citizen.
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Old August 22 2013, 06:25 PM   #22
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I have no problem having multiple, concentric cultural identities, so I think of myself a denizen of my little township, a resident of Bologna, an Italian, and an European, all at the same time and without any contradiction.
Speaking of contradiction, it really depends on the person who is asking what I'm.
For an American, I'm definitely French, the most annoying one. For other foreign people, European is enough, I don't mind.
In front of a very annoying Parisian, I'm vaguely from the north west of France but for a less annoying Parisian, I'm from Sèvres (my birth town near Paris). For a non-Parisian, I say that I'm from the Parisian suburb.
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Old August 22 2013, 06:57 PM   #23
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Re: Family is thinking about moving to Republic of Macedonia (FYROM)

I don't think this is unusual. I'm an American, a Philadelphian, a transplant to Virginia (or a Washingtonian because it's the Washington DC area), plus the American thing of caring who our great-grandparents are, so I also consider myself Irish and Italian.
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Old August 22 2013, 07:02 PM   #24
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I wonder how long it will be before that stops becoming a thing, and people identify as American without the European ancestry. I don't know if it's a matter of becoming completely removed from the culture throughout many layers of generations, or that "American" needs to become a sufficient identity on the same level as Italian, German, etc.
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Old August 22 2013, 07:27 PM   #25
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I wonder how long it will be before that stops becoming a thing, and people identify as American without the European ancestry. I don't know if it's a matter of becoming completely removed from the culture throughout many layers of generations, or that "American" needs to become a sufficient identity on the same level as Italian, German, etc.
I'm an American. My parents are American. My grandparents are American. My great-grandparents are American.

I realize that at some point in history my family was not American, but it was so long ago that it's really hard for me or any of my living relatives to care.

And even then, I identify more as an Illinoisan than an American. Sometimes I identify myself as a Viking, just because it's fun, but that has nothing to do with my relatives being from Scandanavia. I'm a Viking because my grandma grew up in Minnesota.
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Old August 22 2013, 07:27 PM   #26
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I wonder how long it will be before that stops becoming a thing, and people identify as American without the European ancestry. I don't know if it's a matter of becoming completely removed from the culture throughout many layers of generations, or that "American" needs to become a sufficient identity on the same level as Italian, German, etc.
Maybe never.
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Old August 22 2013, 07:29 PM   #27
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And even then, I identify more as an Illinoisan than an American.
Pfft you're practically an Iowan.
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And even then, I identify more as an Illinoisan than an American.
Pfft you're practically an Iowan.
But I grew up in the Chicago suburbs!
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Old August 22 2013, 07:31 PM   #29
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And even then, I identify more as an Illinoisan than an American.
Pfft you're practically an Iowan.
But I grew up in the Chicago suburbs!
And how long ago was that, my dear?
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Old August 22 2013, 07:41 PM   #30
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Pfft you're practically an Iowan.
But I grew up in the Chicago suburbs!
And how long ago was that, my dear?
Quiet you. I may live 5 minutes from Iowa now, but I almost never go there. I will always be from Illinois.
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