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Old August 22 2013, 06:29 AM   #91
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Re: Things you liked about voyager

Don't worry Melakon, I never got around to watching Firefly either.
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Old August 22 2013, 07:09 AM   #92
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Re: Things you liked about voyager

Who's up for a 'thon?

I tried that some months ago but a lot of first time viewers in the thread hated it so it kind of lost some fun.
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Old August 22 2013, 07:26 AM   #93
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MELAKON HAVE YOU NOT SEEN FIREFLY??????
I never saw the series itself. I did have the Serenity film for a while, but I couldn't figure out what the hell was going on and didn't like it. So I gave it away. The only characters I sort of liked were the guy played by Adam Baldwin (whom I'd first noticed in 1980 with the film My Bodyguard), Alan Tudyk's character, and the bad guy played by Chiwetel Ejiofor. Baldwin was the only actor I was familiar with.

Dang, I've been on the site today for over 13 continuous hours.
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Old August 22 2013, 07:46 AM   #94
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Re: Things you liked about voyager

Well the movie is the finale/wrap up of the series.

All the characters are fabulous
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Old August 22 2013, 08:01 AM   #95
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But that's the problem with the film. There's not enough background information about the universe for someone who's not already a fan. To the uninitiated, it's a completely incomprehensible mess.

It was like being someone who has never seen Star Trek, wondering what all the hoopla's about. I've not seen the revamped Battlestar Galactica either. Or Farscape.
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Old August 22 2013, 08:07 AM   #96
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Okay so watch the series. It's only 13 episodes.
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Old August 22 2013, 08:22 AM   #97
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I'll check the used video store next month, they might have the set. I only have about $5 in the bank at the moment. I'm still trying to understand Inception, which I only got about 2 weeks ago.
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Old August 22 2013, 08:22 AM   #98
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Re: Things you liked about voyager

KaraBear wrote: View Post
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I must misremember Search for Spock and First Contact.
Well lets see, Janeway did blow up her ship while she was still on it. Kirk blew up his ship but he wasn't on it, and Picard might have been willing but he didn't have to. So yes she was the only one that actually did, and she did it twice. "Deadlock" and "Year of Hell"
Picard did ram his ship into another one, but never actually blew it up

I guess I misremember Yesterday's Enterprise when Picard sacrificed the Enterprise to restore the timeline, and All Good things where Picard sacrificed 3 Enterprises, then.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.


Anywhooo.....

The things I liked about Voyager:

1. I liked most of the crew

Janeway being the first female captain with a show was very interesting. Also, I think she was probably in some ways like the missing link between Kirk and Picard, and displayed similarities with both, in command style. I just wish they had more personal growth with Janeway...it was like she was set from day one, and changed not all that much over the 7 years.

Chakotay on paper, as someone said, was interesting because not many Native American characters get screen time. The first several seasons I liked Chakotay, as the series progressed, writing for him suffered.

Tuvok was just pure AWESOME. Tim Russ was probably my third favorite Vulcan, after Spock and Sarek. I loved his dynamic with Neelix. His final goodbye to Neelix, where he moves his foot, where he maintains his logic and showing htat was as close as a Vulcan can come to dancing, but gives Neelix that acknowledgement that he really cared for him as a friend, was great.

Neelix, I found annoying at first, but he grew on me, like Rom from DS9. He is a great character, actually.

Be'lana, I loved the concept of a half human/half klingon who actually resented her Klingon side in the beginning, yet was a dynamic character and in the end, embraced it. I always though of her as sort of like K'ehleyr

Tom Paris wasn't overly interesting. Sort of a stereotypical smartass, but his best function of the show was that he is the type of "every man" guy if you met in real life, you would want to have a beer with because he is someone most people would actually identify with the most. On a ship full of Mary Sues, jargon, and McGuffin, Tom Paris is the guy to keep things grounded.

The Doctor is probably my second favorite doctor, after Bones! Picardo is an excellent actor, and always a treat.

I liked Kes, and it was a shame she couldn't have stayed on as a semi-regular, sort of like a "Caretaker in Training" guiding Voyager from time to time, and helping them avoid dangerous situations.

7 of 9 was a great character. I know the show gets accused of being the Seven and Doctor show in later seasons, but I liked the growth of character they showed in Seven. Just was a bit disappointed with her hooking up with Chakotay

2. When Voyager was good, it was AWESOME.

Sure there are a few stinkers, but more often than not Voyager was actually written well. When you encountered a great episode, it knocks it out of the ball park
Some of my favs
Scorpion
Phage
Lifesigns
Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy
Timeless
Drone
Dark Frontier
Tuvix
Cold Fire
Mortal Coil (yeah I know not popular, but I LIKED it.)
Dragon's teeth
Year of Hell
Barge of the Dead
Endgame
...and I am sure I am forgetting a lot of others

3. The FX still hold up, particularly the space scenes. Sure Enterprise probably has the best FX, being the latest, but FX in early TNG episodes don't hold up, yet FX in early Voyager episodes still do.

4. Simply liked the design of Voyager. At the time, it still retained the traditional silhouette of dual nacelles and a semi-saucer section, but also still looked radically different and modern looking. Way better looking than a Defiant class! And the interiors were pretty slick, too. combined the utilitarianism of the TMP Enterprise refit, with the comfort of TNG Galaxy class.

5. While I wish Voyager was a little more serial, like DS9 or Season 3 Enterprise, I liked the premise of being stranded in the Delta Quadrant, and trying to get home.

6. Villains: Some say the Borg were over used, but I really liked the Borg as adversaries. I also liked the Vidiians, and thing they should have been featured more. the Kazon were sort of like the Delta Quadrant answer to Klingons, but I liked their back story.
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Old August 22 2013, 09:48 AM   #99
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I'll check the used video store next month, they might have the set. I only have about $5 in the bank at the moment. I'm still trying to understand Inception, which I only got about 2 weeks ago.
I hated Inception. Fight Club Lite.

I'm sure you can rent Firefly at any dvd rental. It's just a suggestion, such a fun show in so many ways and gorgeous sets, people.. I'm like, "here, you need to just try this cake, no really it's delicious, you should try it, just a here a forkful.. "
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Old August 22 2013, 10:08 AM   #100
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Firefly is worth the money.
The show had only 14 episode's but they were very good.
And in some ways very realistic, no sound in space, no aliens and no utopia like Star Trek.

I'm sure you can rent Firefly at any dvd rental. It's just a suggestion, such a fun show in so many ways and gorgeous sets, people.. I'm like, "here, you need to just try this cake, no really it's delicious, you should try it, just a here a forkful.. "
And you will eat the whole cake and then you only want more of it but you can't
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Old August 22 2013, 10:16 AM   #101
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Re: Things you liked about voyager

Very true but I find it wonderfully rewatchable. It's like how you keep discovering new yumminess in your favorite ever food. That's my way of dealing with only having one season.
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Old August 22 2013, 11:55 AM   #102
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Re: Things you liked about voyager

I really liked the design of the ship and the sets.

There were also some good characters in the mix as well:
Janeway - I liked her from the start, showing herself to be very smart and strong, whilst also with a vulnerable side.
Tuvok - Probably my favourite Vulcan, and good to see one who wasn't a scientist.
Torres - Loved her from the start, the fact she hated half of herself was something that was very interesting.
Kes - She was sweet and innocent but with a strength deep inside her as well.
Seska - A great villan for the crew, though its a shame they didn't keep her onboard to ramp up the tension.
Icheb - Of all the liberated Borg I liked him the most, he was almost the perpetual awkward teenager.
Carey - A family man who showed he would do almost anything to get home, just a pity what happened to him.

There were also some interesting species along the way, I especially liked the Vidiians, how their entire culture and society was destroyed by the Phage.
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Old August 22 2013, 12:16 PM   #103
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Very true but I find it wonderfully rewatchable. It's like how you keep discovering new yumminess in your favorite ever food. That's my way of dealing with only having one season.
I agree, and now i'm going to buying myself a cake and watch Firefly.
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Old August 22 2013, 12:57 PM   #104
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Interesting, Seven of Nine and River Tam ought to be comparable characters, their physiologies and psychologies having been altered. However, I never had difficulty believing that Seven was so strong, physically and mentally, because of the actress' performance. River Tam required a complicated backstory before it even began to make sense, let alone became believable.
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Old August 22 2013, 01:18 PM   #105
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They are different in that River is the vulnerable girl child with kick ass killing ability but 7 is a strapping blonde who works hard to hide her vulnerability. When 7 breaks down and becomes emotionally weak it's a huge deal (was it in One she was sitting, knees drawn up, a quivering mess?) whereas with River she is always like that.

Not that I don't sympathize with River because of her backstory but she was never interesting to me like 7 was.
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