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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old August 21 2013, 03:44 AM   #151
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I am really enjoying this thread too but sometimes it makes me sad at scenes they cut.
That scene shown in comic form would have been great to see in the movie. Nimoy said it was cut because "it gave too much away too early."---that McCoy was posessed.

Sorry Mr Nimoy, after watching TWOK many times between 1982 and 1984---almost everyone had concluded that meld with McCoy at the end of TWOK was the way that Spock would come back.

So to cut a great Kirk/McCoy scene like that out and then, what?, six screen minutes later have McCoy clearly posessed was a bad idea I think.

Especially since TSFS was so short--105 minutes, BUT with about 5 minutes of reprised scenes/dialogue and a good 10 minutes of credits---the 'new' story portion of TSFS is under 90 minutes.

P.S. to Maab---


after looking at that photo of Nimoy, Kirk and McCoy you posted, I am willing to think IT IS possible McCoy WAS wearing his red uniform in the movie program photo.
Clearly he is directing them in a scene in the turbo-lift from TSFS and McCoy is wearing the beard stubble.
The comic adaptation you excerpted was probably mingling in my mind with the photo from the movie program AND it is very likely the comic was drawn BEFORE the artist had seen all the footage and used McCoy in his white smock which he wore quite a bit in TWOK.

So yeah, i think your are batting 100% on finding photos of cut scenes i mentioned!!

But since you have painted your self into a corner by being so resourceful LOL---can you find/do you have---Sarek and Chapel in the ante-room/turbo-lift from the cut scene in TVH?

It's your own fault by making me expect you have all that stuff!

I wonder if this thread could be branched/split into a section that only has photos/stills and links to video clips--without out all our dialogue and conversation?

You know, one of the best things about this thread is I finally don't have to hear form uniformed no-nothings who used to say about every cut scene---
"That scene/scenes was never shot---that's why we never saw it!"

There was a whole lot of that BS floating around about 5-6 years ago.

The alternate Kirk/David fight 'was never shot'
The baby scene 'was never shot'
McCoy knowing Terrell 'was never shot'
David/Saavik flirting in the eden cave 'was never shot'
Khan mentioning Marla by name 'was never shot'

Sometimes when I really cant believe i finally saw them i just play all my 'TWOK deleted scenes' ringtones.

Very nerdy, I admit.
Oh geez, is that the NSA I hear knocking on my door? "Where did you get those audio clips, sir?"

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Old August 21 2013, 09:33 AM   #152
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But since you have painted your self into a corner by being so resourceful LOL---can you find/do you have---Sarek and Chapel in the ante-room/turbo-lift from the cut scene in TVH?
"Never give up never surrender"

Here it is.



Since you mentioned it... about your ringtones... If we have to go by the book and minutes would seem like seconds... how many seconds of TWOK workprint audio do you have?

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Old August 21 2013, 09:49 AM   #153
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Oh God! Just when I tought there was nothing more, look what I found on the web! Another Khan's baby picture! (very small unfortunately)



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Old August 21 2013, 03:24 PM   #154
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But since you have painted your self into a corner by being so resourceful LOL---can you find/do you have---Sarek and Chapel in the ante-room/turbo-lift from the cut scene in TVH?
"Never give up never surrender"

Here it is.



Since you mentioned it... about your ringtones... If we have to go by the book and minutes would seem like seconds... how many seconds of TWOK workprint audio do you have?

Maab
Wow, I wish I could think of more stills from clearly deleted scenes because you probably would have them!

I have about 17 to 20 ringtones ranging from about a minute to as short as 15 seconds long. I guess a total of about 8 minutes.

The workprint contained virtually everything in the script with the exception of the two McCoy/Chekov sickbay scenes mentioned before and a short scene where Khan interogates Chekov aboard reliant about Genesis.

So except for a few missing lines scattered here and there--everything you would read in the script was in the workprint---keping in mind the workprint I saw ends as Spock leaves the bridge to save the ship.

Lots of single non-descript lines here and there are in the workprint, but what i ended up putting on my phone are just the longer/ more interesting bits.
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Old August 22 2013, 12:07 AM   #155
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Grant, that's horrible about those dismissions you mentioned. Just awful! And BTW, when I get the chance, I will be starting an in-depth site which will try to include all this info, and any more we stumble across. I'm gonna call it trekrarities, and it won't be limited to just cut scenes, or even just the movie. It will be a concentrated reference site that will eliminate the need to scour for original trek information.

At least, that's what I hope.
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Old August 22 2013, 08:26 AM   #156
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Oh God! Just when I tought there was nothing more, look what I found on the web! Another Khan's baby picture! (very small unfortunately)



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From the same cards set (which at this point I must absolutely own).


David and Saavik flirting in the Genesis cave.




The already shown picture of Chekov wanting to leave the sickbay.



And... what's this? "Regula crewmember with phaser"
Were does this come from?



The full card set is here: http://www.wixiban.com/trading-cards/mov-monty.htm

P.S. for Grant. I've sent you a private message.

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Old August 22 2013, 03:08 PM   #157
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And... what's this? "Regula crewmember with phaser"
Were does this come from?


From the script during the original David/Kirk confrontation on Genesis:

They walk by a group of crates. It all happens very fast: David leaps out and tackles Kirk, throwing him to the ground and landing atop him, a knife at his throat. At the same time, Bones and Saavik reach for their phasers, but Jedda [the crewmember], already armed, steps out. He has them covered and helpless.
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Old August 22 2013, 05:31 PM   #158
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From the script during the original David/Kirk confrontation on Genesis:

They walk by a group of crates. It all happens very fast: David leaps out and tackles Kirk, throwing him to the ground and landing atop him, a knife at his throat. At the same time, Bones and Saavik reach for their phasers, but Jedda [the crewmember], already armed, steps out. He has them covered and helpless.
Wow, thanks! I had never seen this picture before.

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Old August 22 2013, 08:41 PM   #159
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Jedda's the guy who shouts "phasers down!" and then gets zapped by Terrell.
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Old August 22 2013, 09:26 PM   #160
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Jedda's the guy who shouts "phasers down!" and then gets zapped by Terrell.

In the original version of the Kirk/David fight, when Carol shocks everyone be revealing that Kirk and David are father and son--Terrell snatches the Phaser from 'Jedda' while his is distracted.

It's not explained in the final cut where Terrell gets that phaser. Presumably Chekov picks up the phaser that David knocked from Kirk's hand at the beginning of the scuffle.
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Old August 22 2013, 09:29 PM   #161
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Oh God! Just when I tought there was nothing more, look what I found on the web! Another Khan's baby picture! (very small unfortunately)



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David and Saavik flirting in the Genesis cave.









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Wow, never in 30 years did I see that still before of Saavik/David!
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Old August 22 2013, 11:01 PM   #162
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Jedda's the guy who shouts "phasers down!" and then gets zapped by Terrell.

In the original version of the Kirk/David fight, when Carol shocks everyone be revealing that Kirk and David are father and son--Terrell snatches the Phaser from 'Jedda' while his is distracted.

It's not explained in the final cut where Terrell gets that phaser. Presumably Chekov picks up the phaser that David knocked from Kirk's hand at the beginning of the scuffle.
Terrell's got two phasers - one in his hand and another on his belt. Plus there's the one Chekov has, which makes three. Now one is presumably the one Kirk drops in the fight with with David, so maybe the others were surrendered by McCoy and Saavik, and picked up by Terrell and Chekov when Jedda was distracted by David and Kirk? I can't tell if Jedda has one when Terrell vaporises him. It's not really clear in the finished scene as you say.
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Old August 22 2013, 11:06 PM   #163
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Wow, never in 30 years did I see that still before of Saavik/David!
I bought the set on Ebay. When I'll get it, I'll do better scans of the interesting cards.

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Old August 23 2013, 07:17 AM   #164
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Jedda's the guy who shouts "phasers down!" and then gets zapped by Terrell.

In the original version of the Kirk/David fight, when Carol shocks everyone be revealing that Kirk and David are father and son--Terrell snatches the Phaser from 'Jedda' while his is distracted.

It's not explained in the final cut where Terrell gets that phaser. Presumably Chekov picks up the phaser that David knocked from Kirk's hand at the beginning of the scuffle.

Terrell's got two phasers - one in his hand and another on his belt. Plus there's the one Chekov has, which makes three. Now one is presumably the one Kirk drops in the fight with with David, so maybe the others were surrendered by McCoy and Saavik, and picked up by Terrell and Chekov when Jedda was distracted by David and Kirk? I can't tell if Jedda has one when Terrell vaporises him. It's not really clear in the finished scene as you say.

Wow, i've seen the movie so many times and never realized that Chekov and Terrell were armed BEFORE the scuffle!

But for sure in the workprint Terrell disarms Jedda and brandishes that phaser.
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Old August 23 2013, 01:34 PM   #165
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To complicate matters, neither appears to be armed when they enter the transporter room in Regula 1! In the final cut you don't see either of them until Terrell pulls the phaser on Kirk.
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