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Old August 20 2013, 07:55 PM   #196
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, dude! Why don't you plan a big book-burning party for Star Trek Compendium from 1981 - it has lots of nice behind-the-scenes pics in it! How dare they include images that startrekhistory owned/was going to own 20 years later. :-)
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Old August 20 2013, 08:03 PM   #197
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stcanada29, if you're replying to me, you're confirming my suspicions.
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Old August 20 2013, 08:09 PM   #198
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stcanada29, if you're replying to me, you're confirming my suspicions.
I was actually replying to the "only looks like a turd" remark. I have no clue about a boutique publisher. Flower boutique, LOL.
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Old August 20 2013, 08:14 PM   #199
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Exactly, and you seem to have no problems with this type of bootleg activity -- while you are freaking out over the legal reprinting of public domain images? How peculiar!
Dude(tte), if you think you're helping the publisher's case, you're wrong. Please rethink your approach.
I'm not invoking the distasteful analogies - bordering on profanity - to make my point, dude.
Marc? Is that you?
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Old August 20 2013, 08:15 PM   #200
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. . .Flower boutique, LOL.
Or a fashion boutique, yeah. Boutique publishing seems to be ar relatively new term, I saw a question about it dated 2008.

From all the "dude"s begin thrown around, you must be higher than I am right now.
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Old August 20 2013, 08:20 PM   #201
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. . .Flower boutique, LOL.
Or a fashion boutique, yeah. Boutique publishing seems to be ar relatively new term, I saw a question about it dated 2008.

From all the "dude"s begin thrown around, you must be higher than I am right now.
I'm always high on my love for TOS, dudes and dudettes. By all means don't buy the freakin' book if you're not inclined - but I have a copy and those pics are a tiny bit of everything that it's got!
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Old August 20 2013, 08:27 PM   #202
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, dude! Why don't you plan a big book-burning party for Star Trek Compendium from 1981 - it has lots of nice behind-the-scenes pics in it! How dare they include images that startrekhistory owned/was going to own 20 years later. :-)
Keep digging that hole.
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Old August 20 2013, 08:29 PM   #203
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, dude! Why don't you plan a big book-burning party for Star Trek Compendium from 1981 - it has lots of nice behind-the-scenes pics in it! How dare they include images that startrekhistory owned/was going to own 20 years later. :-)
It would be interesting to see if the publisher considers releasing he next volume without the images. They might do well to include some nice artwork--something like what Bjo Trimble did years ago with the Concordance If they do so, it would be interesting to see if their sales are higher or lower than this first volume.

Probably the overarching observation in all this is that, as I'm sure even the Collector would concede, filmclip restorers now have less incentive to continue to spend their time and resources in what would seem to be simply the thankless task of making the Collector's image-collecting life easier for him.

"The turd is just a tiny bit of everything that the punchbowl's got!
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Old August 20 2013, 09:20 PM   #204
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I've read more Trek books than I can count, and I'm hoping these three live up to their predecessors.
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Old August 20 2013, 10:01 PM   #205
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"The turd is just a tiny bit of everything that the punchbowl's got!
Not cool, IMO, how you keep referring to legally reproduced images of William Shatner and TOS behind the scenes pics as turd, dude. I thought you were a fan of the series.
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Old August 20 2013, 10:03 PM   #206
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"The turd is just a tiny bit of everything that the punchbowl's got!
Not cool, IMO, how you keep referring to legally reproduced images of William Shatner and TOS behind the scenes pics as turd, dude. I thought you were a fan of the series. I guess you know what they say, "It takes one to know one". So I guess there's some foul smelling stuff involved in Phase II, eh?
I think the reason that you/they hang so tight to "legally" is that ethically you know you screwed the pooch.
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Old August 20 2013, 10:07 PM   #207
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, dude! Why don't you plan a big book-burning party for Star Trek Compendium from 1981 - it has lots of nice behind-the-scenes pics in it! How dare they include images that startrekhistory owned/was going to own 20 years later. :-)
For what its worth, the Compendium was an authorized publication from Pocket Books, which was owned at the time by Gulf + Western, owner of Paramount and Star Trek. I doubt that anyone was or is going to sue the owner of Trek, then or now.
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Old August 20 2013, 10:28 PM   #208
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"The turd is just a tiny bit of everything that the punchbowl's got!
Not cool, IMO, how you keep referring to legally reproduced images of William Shatner and TOS behind the scenes pics as turd, dude. I thought you were a fan of the series.
Okay, then: it is actually delicious, high-quality foie gras, caviar, and truffles that we have floating in the punchbowl. But I'm not certain that makes the product all that much more palatable.

I thought you liked and respected and were a fan of the work these filmclip restorers have been doing.

Thank you, Collector, wherever you are, for now wrecking that!
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Old August 20 2013, 10:34 PM   #209
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I think the reason that you/they hang so tight to "legally" is that ethically you know you screwed the pooch.
I said "legally" because others here were strongly implying illegal reproduction of the pics was taking place -- or permission was required for those images - which isn't true. The truth is that photos which are in the public domain are free for all to republish. And it's not unethical for books to include images from the public domain. Done in the past, and will be done time and again in the future. And I don't see why you are so convinced startrekhistory was the source for all of these images versus all the old magazines, other film clips, books and fanzines in existence that are just as likely to have been sources? Is there a BW photo in the book that is unique to startrekhistory that was never printed elsewhere ... I kinda doubt that. Just considering the proliferation of these same images all over the web for years makes the existence of a single source less likely, IMO. I think it's possible some pics on startrekhistory share the same source as those in the book. Are you condemning every single photo in the book or just one or two? I actually thought I saw startrekhistory credited in there for some images.

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Old August 20 2013, 10:51 PM   #210
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I think the reason that you/they hang so tight to "legally" is that ethically you know you screwed the pooch.
I said "legally" because others here were strongly implying illegal reproduction of the pics was taking place -- or permission was required for those images - which isn't true. The truth is that photos which are in the public domain are free for all to republish. And it's not unethical for books to include images from the public domain. Done in the past, and will be done time and again in the future. And I don't see why you are so convinced startrekhistory was the source for all of these images versus all the old magazines, other film clips, books and fanzines in existence that are just as likely to have been sources? Is there a BW photo in the book that is unique to startrekhistory that was never printed elsewhere ... I kinda doubt that. Just considering the proliferation of these same images all over the web for years makes the existence of a single source less likely, IMO. I think it's possible some pics on startrekhistory share the same source as those in the book.
"How do you know it's startrekhistory's turds? They might be turds from any number of sources. And besides: it's not illegal to dump turds into the punchbowl."

I'm still not convinced that it was actually an asset to include these images in the book--no matter how entitled the publisher might have been to do so.
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