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Old August 19 2013, 05:10 PM   #121
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Re: is TOS the only 'true' Star Trek?

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There is no such thing as "true" Trek.
Of course there is.

In about 160 years, it'll be invented by a little old lady from Leningrad.
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Old August 19 2013, 05:14 PM   #122
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There is no such thing as "true" Trek.
Of course there is.

In about 160 years, it'll be invented by a little old lady from Leningrad.
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Old August 19 2013, 05:28 PM   #123
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Re: is TOS the only 'true' Star Trek?

You should work her into a novel as a character.
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Old August 20 2013, 01:46 AM   #124
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Re: is TOS the only 'true' Star Trek?

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Of course there is.

In about 160 years, it'll be invented by a little old lady from Leningrad.
Gena Roddenberrovich?
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Old August 20 2013, 04:07 AM   #125
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From the first airing of The Man Trap in September of 1966, through the last movie appearance of Kirk and two others of the main TOS cast in Generations in November of 1994, it was 28 years.
The movies and the television series are two separate things. You're also counting a whole lot of years of inactivity.For instance the series ended in 1969 and the first movie didn't hit the screen until ten years later.You don't get to count all those empty years.

On the other hand, between Encounter At Farpoint (September of 1987) and the end of the TNG era with Nemesis (December of 2002), it was 15 years.
Not really sure how that proves anything relevant to my original statement or the OP. But since you went there..

TOS was on the air for three years. TNG was on for seven years. TNG was more successful during it's run. That is fact. If you want to throw movies into the mix, then yes the original cast was more successful since they lasted 6 movies and most of them were better than TNG did in 4. That one I'll give you. But television series? Not even close. TOS was kicked off the air due to bad ratings while TNG was still strong when the series ended.

TOS might not be the only "true" Star Trek, but it is undeniably the heart and core of the Star Trek world.
It started it all. No one is disputing that. But TNG picked that ball up and ran with it. Without TNG's success, Trek on T.V would have died in the 80s and the movies would have ended after TUC.

When Spock appeared on TNG it was a event, when Riker appeared on VOY it was a blip.
Because by this point few were watching VOY.

When DS9's crew time travel into one of a previous series episodes, instead of the Tribbles episode, they could have been inserted into a TNG adventure, but they weren't.
Why in the world would DS9 time travel to TNG? The two series were linked together. Only a few years separated them. Why in the world would they travel back in time a mere five years? We already got something like that with the TNG finale.
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Old August 20 2013, 07:56 AM   #126
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There is no "true" Star Trek IMO, just Star Trek. Yes I like certain series/films more than others but it's all part of the same overall storyline and universe, and has a lot of the same ideas explored.

This "true Star Trek" thing seems to be the nerd version of "I listened to that band before they were popular, so their new stuff sucks"

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The 2009 reboot is TOS. Made millions.
If making millions makes it "true" Star Trek, then TOS isn't "true" Star Trek. TOS had pretty bad ratings and was cancelled because of them. It really only became popular through re-runs and the movies.
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Old August 20 2013, 08:06 AM   #127
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Re: is TOS the only 'true' Star Trek?

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There is no "true" Star Trek IMO, just Star Trek. Yes I like certain series/films more than others but it's all part of the same overall storyline and universe, and has a lot of the same ideas explored.

This "true Star Trek" thing seems to be the nerd version of "I listened to that band before they were popular, so their new stuff sucks"

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The 2009 reboot is TOS. Made millions.
If making millions makes it "true" Star Trek, then TOS isn't "true" Star Trek. TOS had pretty bad ratings and was cancelled because of them. It really only became popular through re-runs and the movies.
TOS made millions.

I'm not saying the other Treks didn't but you cannot deny TOS was profitable.

Somewhere on these boards it says CBS makes 10 million a year currently just from TOS merchandising.
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Old August 20 2013, 09:50 AM   #128
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Re: is TOS the only 'true' Star Trek?

Technically "The Cage" would be the only true Trek, seeing as it was Roddenberry's original vision for the series.
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Old August 20 2013, 01:08 PM   #129
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Re: is TOS the only 'true' Star Trek?

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There is no "true" Star Trek IMO, just Star Trek. Yes I like certain series/films more than others but it's all part of the same overall storyline and universe, and has a lot of the same ideas explored.

This "true Star Trek" thing seems to be the nerd version of "I listened to that band before they were popular, so their new stuff sucks"
Bingo!
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Old August 20 2013, 01:10 PM   #130
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Re: is TOS the only 'true' Star Trek?

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There is no "true" Star Trek IMO, just Star Trek. Yes I like certain series/films more than others but it's all part of the same overall storyline and universe, and has a lot of the same ideas explored.

This "true Star Trek" thing seems to be the nerd version of "I listened to that band before they were popular, so their new stuff sucks"

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The 2009 reboot is TOS. Made millions.
If making millions makes it "true" Star Trek, then TOS isn't "true" Star Trek. TOS had pretty bad ratings and was cancelled because of them. It really only became popular through re-runs and the movies.
TOS made millions.

I'm not saying the other Treks didn't but you cannot deny TOS was profitable.

Somewhere on these boards it says CBS makes 10 million a year currently just from TOS merchandising.
You don't think that might have something to do with the recent rebooted movies? What was TOS pulling in back before JJ Abrams came along and rose Star Trek from the ashes?
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Old August 20 2013, 02:06 PM   #131
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Because by this point few were watching VOY.
It was season two (Death Wish).

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You don't think that might have something to do with the recent rebooted movies? What was TOS pulling in back before JJ Abrams came along and rose Star Trek from the ashes?
I'm pretty sure those were the numbers before Abrams came along as the money was a point of contention as Bad Robot wanted TOS merchandise pulled so they weren't competing with themselves on the merchandising front.

And the number I saw was twenty million.
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Old August 20 2013, 04:08 PM   #132
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There is no "true" Star Trek IMO, just Star Trek. Yes I like certain series/films more than others but it's all part of the same overall storyline and universe, and has a lot of the same ideas explored.

This "true Star Trek" thing seems to be the nerd version of "I listened to that band before they were popular, so their new stuff sucks"
Bingo!
There may be a bit of that going on with the reaction to NuTrek as well. "But . . . but some of the people seeing the movies don't even know what a Gorn is!"
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Old August 20 2013, 04:11 PM   #133
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Re: is TOS the only 'true' Star Trek?

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There is no "true" Star Trek IMO, just Star Trek. Yes I like certain series/films more than others but it's all part of the same overall storyline and universe, and has a lot of the same ideas explored.

This "true Star Trek" thing seems to be the nerd version of "I listened to that band before they were popular, so their new stuff sucks"
Bingo!
There may be a bit of that going on with the reaction to NuTrek as well. "But . . . but some of the people seeing the movies don't even know what a Gorn is!"
I hear that all the time as an argument used by the filmmakers against including something in a film. "The audience... so stupid, they would be confused!"
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Old August 20 2013, 04:20 PM   #134
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TOS was on the air for three years. TNG was on for seven years. TNG was more successful during it's run. That is fact.
But it's not really comparable. TNG was first-run syndication, where the competition was considerably less than it would be in a network prime-time slot. TNG, like TOS, never cracked the top 30 in ratings, and it is highly doubtful it would have lasted as long as it did on one of the big four broadcast networks.
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Old August 21 2013, 03:46 AM   #135
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TOS was on the air for three years. TNG was on for seven years. TNG was more successful during it's run. That is fact.
But it's not really comparable. TNG was first-run syndication, where the competition was considerably less than it would be in a network prime-time slot. TNG, like TOS, never cracked the top 30 in ratings, and it is highly doubtful it would have lasted as long as it did on one of the big four broadcast networks.
Specially after the 1st season.
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