RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 138,381
Posts: 5,357,146
Members: 24,628
Currently online: 482
Newest member: suryaprabu02

TrekToday headlines

The Gene Roddenberry Project Kickstarter
By: T'Bonz on Jul 30

Moore: No Deep Space Nine Regrets
By: T'Bonz on Jul 30

Pegg Star Wars Rumor
By: T'Bonz on Jul 30

Borg Cube Fridge
By: T'Bonz on Jul 29

Free Enterprise Kickstarter
By: T'Bonz on Jul 29

Siddig To Join Game Of Thrones
By: T'Bonz on Jul 29

Sci-Fried To Release New Album
By: T'Bonz on Jul 28

Star Trek/Planet of the Apes Crossover
By: T'Bonz on Jul 28

Star Trek into Darkness Soundtrack
By: T'Bonz on Jul 28

Horse 1, Shatner 0
By: T'Bonz on Jul 28


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Welcome to the Trek BBS! > General Trek Discussion

General Trek Discussion Trek TV and cinema subjects not related to any specific series or movie.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old August 20 2013, 12:10 AM   #16
Misfit Toy
Caped Trek Mod
 
Misfit Toy's Avatar
 
Location: Transporter buffer
Re: The Reality of Star Trek

Enow wrote: View Post
However, in this reality, Biblical prophesies foretells one third of the earth burning up, and that was just to serve as a catalyst for the NWO and their mark of the beast system.
"Reality" and "biblical prophesies" are mutually exclusive terms.
__________________
Woof.
Misfit Toy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 20 2013, 12:13 AM   #17
J. Allen
Easily Influenced By Friends
 
J. Allen's Avatar
 
Location: United States
Send a message via ICQ to J. Allen Send a message via AIM to J. Allen Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to J. Allen Send a message via Yahoo to J. Allen
Re: The Reality of Star Trek

Enow wrote: View Post
Melakon wrote: View Post
You're ignoring that Star Trek, particularly in its later forms, tells us that a Third World War (which nearly destroyed humanity), and first contact with aliens caused the people of Earth to re-evaluate their goals and they joined together to improve themselves and society.
If the first two world wars didn't do it, what makes you think a third one would? Is it the old saying, "Three time's the charm"? Then I can understand where you are coming from as far as how Star Trek Universe comes into being, but again, reality does paint a different picture.

I somehow believe that in Star Trek Enterprise episode "In the Mirror Darkly, " that would be the mentality of the people of earth at that time when survival, looking out for number one, and having the upper hand in all things like power is how anyone thinks they are going to get ahead.

However, in this reality, Biblical prophesies foretells one third of the earth burning up, and that was just to serve as a catalyst for the NWO and their mark of the beast system. Survival will be all that those people will be thinking about, and yet by adapting that mentality to be united with one cause, Star Trek is still no where in the picture. But there will be a gathering of the armies of the remaining parts of the world to battle the Lord upon His return with the saints at the end of the great tribulation period. ( Which is seven years, starting when they give the command to build the Third Temple in Jerusalem. )

They are already adapting the technology for the mark of the beast system, and that is the biochip to buy and sell in Europe. The biochip is being used elsewhere for medical information like in Mexico and security purposes in companies like GPS tagging. It is not the mark of the beast system yet, until the bio chips becomes the only means to buy & sell in this NWO, thus killing off those that refuse the mark because of the Biblical warning from God that those that take the mark are destined for the lake of fire.

Maybe the Lord will have His people trekking the stars when Satan and death has been done away with forever after they have been cast into the lake of fire. There is nothing in Biblical prophesies about that, but who knows? God only knows.

It's time like these that it wouldn't hurt for fans of Star Trek to do a little research on what direction the world is going and how it is lining up with Biblical prophesies. Maybe they will look as I do in the direction higher than the heavens to Heaven above and the hope of us getting there will not be by a starship, but by the hope in the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ as it is His righteousness and His faithfulness that is bringing us there for all those that believe and put their trust in Him.

So... maybe Star Trek may happen when mankind is no longer broken and thus in no need of the Saviour, because they are saved and free to roam the universe for they will never be apart from Him.

Christians can dream after all.

Course, this is in according to my faith on how Star Trek could be, but I just don't see it happening when mankind is not perfect yet to do that trekking through the stars. Murphy's law will more likely come into play than anything else as our fallible nature will hinder us so.
Your idea of god is flawed and antiquated. I have no need of it, or its draconian bloodlust. It has my permission, however, to continue steering clear of Star Trek, because though the universe in which Star Trek exists is also fantasy, it's an optimistic one, unlike the concept of a god that requires suffering and death as its price. That is a fantasy of which I, nor any other person of compassion, have no use.
__________________
:: :: ::
Visit Brony Kingdom! Don't ask why, just do it.
:: :: ::
-=- I still wish upon stars -=-
J. Allen is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 20 2013, 12:15 AM   #18
Enow
Lieutenant
 
Re: The Reality of Star Trek

BillJ wrote: View Post
Enow wrote: View Post
However, in this reality, Biblical prophesies foretells one third of the earth burning up, and that was just to serve as a catalyst for the NWO and their mark of the beast system.
I'm sorry, but you people have been telling me the world is going to end tomorrow for forty-two years now.
Yeah. It can sound like a broken record, but that is only because christians have been seeing how present day events are coming together with Biblical prophesies that we can only hope God is working to help those that seek the truth to see how it is at the door to turn to Jesus Christ for help to be ready to escape the hour of trial that shall try all upon the earth which is the great tribulation.

Many believers think all christians will be taken up at the pre tribulational rapture but that's Hollywood rendition of it. There will be many believers having His seal that will not be found abiding in Him and will be left behind at that time because that is when God will judge His House first if they want to be honest with the scriptures in all that is said about what is involved at the pretribulational rapture event.

I think a really good argument could be made that the world is in the shape it's in because of religion and biblical prophesies.
I would agree with making that argument about the shape of the world being in is because of religion, but just because some errant believers have made christianity a religion of what man can do, doesn't mean that is the christianity which is the Good News that was being preached to the world.

I fail to see how Biblical prophesies had any hand in the shaping of the world. I can see how it was misused by cults, but hardly an effect on shaping the world for what it is in now.

Course, if you are referring to "Muslims" prophesies, you got me there, but John 16:1-3 proves "to me" that they do not know Him at all.
Enow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 20 2013, 12:24 AM   #19
BillJ
Admiral
 
BillJ's Avatar
 
Location: Covington, Ky.
View BillJ's Twitter Profile
Re: The Reality of Star Trek

Enow wrote: View Post
Course, if you are referring to "Muslims" prophesies, you got me there, but John 16:1-3 proves "to me" that they do not know Him at all.
If God isn't there for all of his children whether they accept him or not, whether they follow the path he supposedly put before them or not then he is no God of mine.

It's like a parent rejecting a child because they don't agree with the choices they made.

I'd much rather have some lakefront property on the Lake of Fire.
__________________
"I had no idea you were so... formidable. " - Anan 7 to James T. Kirk, A Taste of Armageddon
BillJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 20 2013, 12:24 AM   #20
Enow
Lieutenant
 
Re: The Reality of Star Trek

Mysterion wrote: View Post
Enow wrote: View Post
The reality of Star Trek is just an utopian dream.
Yup. Naive, too.

Mankind is broken. History reports that no matter how good a system is, if evil men run it, then no good will come of it.
Here's some bad news: Mankind isn't broken. There's a reason we're at the top of the food-chain, after all. We're doing what we've always done since the dawn of recorded history (and no doubt way before it started to be recorded), and probably always will (no doubt long after history has stopped being recorded). We are what we are, and it's better for all concerned if we disabuse ourselves of the notion that we're "getting better" and learn to work with what we've got. Let go of the denial and let yourself be human. For better, and often for worse it is who we are. Get used to it, and learn to use it to your advantage.
Interesting. One could say that this is the mentality of the people in Star Trek: Enterprise "In the Mirror Darkly".

I'm not sure you would want to stick with that though. Perhaps you may want to modify that notion. Surely you can see child molesters, alcoholics, and rapists as evidence of mankind being broken since they can ascribe to your description of just being who they are. What seems like an advantage may actually be a worsening condition of mankind as they will get worse and worse.
Enow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 20 2013, 12:27 AM   #21
Avon
Fleet Captain
 
Avon's Avatar
 
Location: Space Wales
Re: The Reality of Star Trek

Enow wrote: View Post
However, in this reality, Biblical prophesies foretells one third of the earth burning up, and that was just to serve as a catalyst for the NWO
the NWO are so 1996



but they're all old now, so i don't think they'll be able to stop star trek happening.
__________________

Hello to Jason Isaacs!
Avon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 20 2013, 12:29 AM   #22
Enow
Lieutenant
 
Re: The Reality of Star Trek

BillJ wrote: View Post
Enow wrote: View Post
Science has not found any class M planets out there which is why it should not be a priority at all in face of the debt.

I know they had spotted some "possibilities", but it wasn't enough to send a manned crew.
Science isn't your strong point, is it?
Let's stick to the topic, okay? Let's not get personal here.


We don't have the technological means to send a manned mission to another star system.
It doesn't matter. There are no class M planets to send anybody to. There are only possibilities, but nothing definitive.
Enow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 20 2013, 12:29 AM   #23
BillJ
Admiral
 
BillJ's Avatar
 
Location: Covington, Ky.
View BillJ's Twitter Profile
Re: The Reality of Star Trek

Enow wrote: View Post
Surely you can see child molesters, alcoholics, and rapists as evidence of mankind being broken...
I actually see that as evidence of God being broken. If God created mankind then he should be the one to take the heat for making a defective product.
__________________
"I had no idea you were so... formidable. " - Anan 7 to James T. Kirk, A Taste of Armageddon
BillJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 20 2013, 12:32 AM   #24
BillJ
Admiral
 
BillJ's Avatar
 
Location: Covington, Ky.
View BillJ's Twitter Profile
Re: The Reality of Star Trek

Enow wrote: View Post

Let's stick to the topic, okay? Let's not get personal here.
You're the one who brought up science.



It doesn't matter. There are no class M planets to send anybody to. There are only possibilities, but nothing definitive.
The only way to get definitive answers is to go to various stars, something that is currently beyond our technology.
__________________
"I had no idea you were so... formidable. " - Anan 7 to James T. Kirk, A Taste of Armageddon
BillJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 20 2013, 12:34 AM   #25
Enow
Lieutenant
 
Re: The Reality of Star Trek

Melakon wrote: View Post
Enow wrote: View Post
Melakon wrote: View Post
You're ignoring that Star Trek, particularly in its later forms, tells us that a Third World War (which nearly destroyed humanity), and first contact with aliens caused the people of Earth to re-evaluate their goals and they joined together to improve themselves and society.
If the first two world wars didn't do it, what makes you think a third one would? Is it the old saying, "Three time's the charm"? Then I can understand where you are coming from as far as how Star Trek Universe comes into being, but again, reality does paint a different picture.

I somehow believe that in Star Trek Enterprise episode "In the Mirror Darkly, " that would be the mentality of the people of earth at that time when survival, looking out for number one, and having the upper hand in all things like power is how anyone thinks they are going to get ahead.

However, in this reality, Biblical prophesies foretells one third of the earth burning up, and that was just to serve as a catalyst for the NWO and their mark of the beast system. Survival will be all that those people will be thinking about, and yet by adapting that mentality to be united with one cause, Star Trek is still no where in the picture. But there will be a gathering of the armies of the remaining parts of the world to battle the Lord upon His return with the saints at the end of the great tribulation period. ( Which is seven years, starting when they give the command to build the Third Temple in Jerusalem. )

They are already adapting the technology for the mark of the beast system, and that is the biochip to buy and sell in Europe. The biochip is being used elsewhere for medical information like in Mexico and security purposes in companies like GPS tagging. It is not the mark of the beast system yet, until the bio chips becomes the only means to buy & sell in this NWO, thus killing off those that refuse the mark because of the Biblical warning from God that those that take the mark are destined for the lake of fire.

Maybe the Lord will have His people trekking the stars when Satan and death has been done away with forever after they have been cast into the lake of fire. There is nothing in Biblical prophesies about that, but who knows? God only knows.

It's time like these that it wouldn't hurt for fans of Star Trek to do a little research on what direction the world is going and how it is lining up with Biblical prophesies. Maybe they will look as I do in the direction higher than the heavens to Heaven above and the hope of us getting there will not be by a starship, but by the hope in the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ as it is His righteousness and His faithfulness that is bringing us there for all those that believe and put their trust in Him.

So... maybe Star Trek may happen when mankind is no longer broken and thus in no need of the Saviour, because they are saved and free to roam the universe for they will never be apart from Him.

Christians can dream after all.

Course, this is in according to my faith on how Star Trek could be, but I just don't see it happening when mankind is not perfect yet to do that trekking through the stars. Murphy's law will more likely come into play than anything else as our fallible nature will hinder us so.
I'm sorry, but I told you what we have been told in Star Trek about the Third World War. It is not my personal opinion, yet you choose to argue as if it was.

And since you seem to be more concerned with biblical prophecy than the information we're given in Star Trek, I'm not inclined to continue this discussion. You obviously have no idea where I'm coming from at all.

I apologize to everyone else for including the poster's lengthy rebuttal with few words in reply; I generally prefer not to do that.
I'm sorry that I did not see you were deviating from the point of discussion in the OP about applying the reality of Star Trek to our present day lives in determining the hope of it ever coming about.

That was why I was seeing it as your opinion. Sorry.
Enow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 20 2013, 12:37 AM   #26
Avon
Fleet Captain
 
Avon's Avatar
 
Location: Space Wales
Re: The Reality of Star Trek

^ all that biblical prophesy bullshit wasnt in the OP so thats deviation too if you're going to pick people up on stuff
__________________

Hello to Jason Isaacs!
Avon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 20 2013, 12:40 AM   #27
Enow
Lieutenant
 
Re: The Reality of Star Trek

BillJ wrote: View Post
Enow wrote: View Post
Can you really believe that there is no high tech surveilance devise in your television and in any other product which was made in China?
No I don't. But if there is and the government wants to watch me scratch my ass and grope the missus, more power to them.


Think how the thirteen colonies were "betrayed" by the Cylons and go from there in how it could happen in our reality now.
I tend to not confuse real life with the stories I see on the magical glowing box.
LOL!

Well, anyway, the point was that the reality of Star Trek in relation to our present state of affairs leaves it wanting. It can never really happen in my opinion.
Enow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 20 2013, 12:41 AM   #28
J. Allen
Easily Influenced By Friends
 
J. Allen's Avatar
 
Location: United States
Send a message via ICQ to J. Allen Send a message via AIM to J. Allen Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to J. Allen Send a message via Yahoo to J. Allen
Re: The Reality of Star Trek

BillJ wrote: View Post
Enow wrote: View Post
Surely you can see child molesters, alcoholics, and rapists as evidence of mankind being broken...
I actually see that as evidence of God being broken. If God created mankind then he should be the one to take the heat for making a defective product.
No, see that god only gets positive reviews. If a group of skilled surgeons and nurses work together, over many hours, to save someone's life, then God healed them.

If a man rolls his car while hitting the Interstate at 90 MPH, and he survives, then God's grace saved him.

The child that's starving to death due to famine and disease? God had nothing to do with that. Though according to the Bible, God caused all manner of plague on those he didn't like, and that included people who simply did not worship or know of him.

The hundreds of thousands of people who died in a Tsunami? God had nothing to do with any of that. Except according to the Bible, where God apparently caused all manner of disaster against those who didn't worship or know him.

Today though? Totally different god, apparently. Now God's a nice guy, wants to help you. All that stuff that happened? That's in the past, or you just don't understand how God moves in mysterious ways. God is wholly just, and good, and wise, and kind, and just wants to love you. He loves you! All that talk about war, and death, and famine, and disease, and the blood, and the slaying, and the drowning, that was just his message! His message of love!

Now, human beings try to save the starving child, and rush aid to the victims of that natural disaster? Yeah, it's mankind who is broken. It's mankind who is evil, not God. Just wait until billions of people die in the tribulation, as blood flows, natural disasters are wrought against the world, and each person suffers because they aren't following God. He'll show you how much he loves you! He only does it because he loves you!

Honestly, kids, modern Christian eschatology reads a lot like the symptoms of Stockholm Syndrome.

In short, to stay on topic, the humans in Star Trek don't need a savior, since they're doing just fine treating each other with compassion and kindness, eliminating disease and famine, working to make a better world for all humankind, and we, here in this universe, don't need a savior that likes to come in at the last minute, when other human beings have done all the work, only for him to claim the credit.

Prince of Peace, my ass.
__________________
:: :: ::
Visit Brony Kingdom! Don't ask why, just do it.
:: :: ::
-=- I still wish upon stars -=-
J. Allen is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 20 2013, 12:42 AM   #29
Enow
Lieutenant
 
Re: The Reality of Star Trek

Misfit Toy wrote: View Post
Enow wrote: View Post
However, in this reality, Biblical prophesies foretells one third of the earth burning up, and that was just to serve as a catalyst for the NWO and their mark of the beast system.
"Reality" and "biblical prophesies" are mutually exclusive terms.
"Mutually exclusive" applies only until it happens.
Enow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 20 2013, 12:46 AM   #30
Gov Kodos
Vice Admiral
 
Gov Kodos's Avatar
 
Location: Gov Kodos Regretably far from Boston
Re: The Reality of Star Trek

Enow wrote: View Post
Melakon wrote: View Post
Enow wrote: View Post

If the first two world wars didn't do it, what makes you think a third one would? Is it the old saying, "Three time's the charm"? Then I can understand where you are coming from as far as how Star Trek Universe comes into being, but again, reality does paint a different picture.

I somehow believe that in Star Trek Enterprise episode "In the Mirror Darkly, " that would be the mentality of the people of earth at that time when survival, looking out for number one, and having the upper hand in all things like power is how anyone thinks they are going to get ahead.

However, in this reality, Biblical prophesies foretells one third of the earth burning up, and that was just to serve as a catalyst for the NWO and their mark of the beast system. Survival will be all that those people will be thinking about, and yet by adapting that mentality to be united with one cause, Star Trek is still no where in the picture. But there will be a gathering of the armies of the remaining parts of the world to battle the Lord upon His return with the saints at the end of the great tribulation period. ( Which is seven years, starting when they give the command to build the Third Temple in Jerusalem. )

They are already adapting the technology for the mark of the beast system, and that is the biochip to buy and sell in Europe. The biochip is being used elsewhere for medical information like in Mexico and security purposes in companies like GPS tagging. It is not the mark of the beast system yet, until the bio chips becomes the only means to buy & sell in this NWO, thus killing off those that refuse the mark because of the Biblical warning from God that those that take the mark are destined for the lake of fire.

Maybe the Lord will have His people trekking the stars when Satan and death has been done away with forever after they have been cast into the lake of fire. There is nothing in Biblical prophesies about that, but who knows? God only knows.

It's time like these that it wouldn't hurt for fans of Star Trek to do a little research on what direction the world is going and how it is lining up with Biblical prophesies. Maybe they will look as I do in the direction higher than the heavens to Heaven above and the hope of us getting there will not be by a starship, but by the hope in the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ as it is His righteousness and His faithfulness that is bringing us there for all those that believe and put their trust in Him.

So... maybe Star Trek may happen when mankind is no longer broken and thus in no need of the Saviour, because they are saved and free to roam the universe for they will never be apart from Him.

Christians can dream after all.

Course, this is in according to my faith on how Star Trek could be, but I just don't see it happening when mankind is not perfect yet to do that trekking through the stars. Murphy's law will more likely come into play than anything else as our fallible nature will hinder us so.
I'm sorry, but I told you what we have been told in Star Trek about the Third World War. It is not my personal opinion, yet you choose to argue as if it was.

And since you seem to be more concerned with biblical prophecy than the information we're given in Star Trek, I'm not inclined to continue this discussion. You obviously have no idea where I'm coming from at all.

I apologize to everyone else for including the poster's lengthy rebuttal with few words in reply; I generally prefer not to do that.
I'm sorry that I did not see you were deviating from the point of discussion in the OP about applying the reality of Star Trek to our present day lives in determining the hope of it ever coming about.

That was why I was seeing it as your opinion. Sorry.
The world of Trek is far more likely to come about than the one coming from a cobbled together collection of tribal myths peddled by the Christian churches.
__________________
We are quicksilver, a fleeting shadow, a distant sound... our home has no boundaries beyond which we cannot pass. We live in music, in a flash of color... we live on the wind and in the sparkle of a star! Endora, Bewitched
Gov Kodos is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:31 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.