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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old August 18 2013, 04:47 PM   #61
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Re: What do we know about the years between ST5 and ST6?

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I guess, like McCoy's divorce backstory, it's one of those little pseudo-canon tidbits that never fully materialized until the reboot.
Good comparison.
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Old August 18 2013, 06:29 PM   #62
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Hmm. Do we have an onscreen counterindication to the McCoy divorce/Joanna element in the prime timeline, the way we have a counterindication to Uhura's language skills in ST6?

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Old August 18 2013, 11:01 PM   #63
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Re: What do we know about the years between ST5 and ST6?

I personally think Uhura being a polyglot makes sense. If you're a comm officer encountering new life forms and the captain needs to talk to them, s/he needs you to do his job.
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Old August 19 2013, 12:31 AM   #64
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I personally think Uhura being a polyglot makes sense. If you're a comm officer encountering new life forms and the captain needs to talk to them, s/he needs you to do his job.
You just need to know which settings to input on the Universal Translator.
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Old August 19 2013, 05:29 PM   #65
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Re: What do we know about the years between ST5 and ST6?

Why can't it be both? Why can't linguistics be something she was indeed interested in, but to do her job all she really needed was to flip a switch and be able to service the equipment itself? Knowing other languages thus ended up being almost a bonus...
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Old August 19 2013, 06:56 PM   #66
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Re: What do we know about the years between ST5 and ST6?

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I read somewhere that Uhura'a linguistic skills were added to the character for the aborted Phase II television series, and it's something Nichelle talked about at conventions - hence it's inclusion in several novels (IIRC, she even spoke perfect Klingon in one of Diane Duane's!)

I guess, like McCoy's divorce backstory, it's one of those little pseudo-canon tidbits that never fully materialized until the reboot.
And indeed, Uhura's first name.
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Old August 19 2013, 08:34 PM   #67
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Why can't it be both?
It most certainly can, but as per ST6:TUC, it apparently isn't.

If Uhura did have an ear and a pair of lips for languages, it would seem somewhat probable that she'd tackle the all-important Klingon language at some point. Since she's about as fluent in the Klingon tongue as I'm in French, the odds of her mastering a large number of other languages would appear to go down somewhat.

It remains to be seen how different the two Uhuras ultimately are. Can nuUhura sing or dance? Can she bypass a transtator circuit with a hairpin?

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Old August 19 2013, 08:41 PM   #68
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Re: What do we know about the years between ST5 and ST6?

Sad but true, the TUC scene really throws a monkey wrench in the whole works.

Maybe Klingon's just a really, really hard language? Surely such a brilliant people as the Kli--err, nevermind.
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Old August 19 2013, 09:15 PM   #69
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Well, Russian is difficult as such - and the Russian spoken by the rank and file of the military is nearly impenetrable, combining jail slang with pop culture references and colonial influences from the Caucasus and whatnot. If the Klingon Empire is to be a good analogy to the Soviet Union at its point of collapse, a good command of textbook Klingon might be about as useful in deciphering the utterings of the Morska crew as a good command of textbook Mandarin.

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Old August 24 2013, 08:19 PM   #70
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I would have liked to have seen Enterprise survive ST III, then head back to Earth under escort in ST IV, and have that do the time travel. The other ships race out ahead to meet the probe and are disabled.


As thanks for the effort, she is refitted once again at the end.
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Old August 26 2013, 08:42 PM   #71
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Interesting notion. How would you have her survive self-destruction in TSFS?
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Old August 26 2013, 08:56 PM   #72
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Or, what would you replace the self-destruct scene with, in terms of dramatic impact that the movie so desperately tried to achieve? Klingons kill not just David, but Saavik as well? Klingons kill Chekov (by accident, I presume)? Sarek dies before Spock is revived? Genesis revives not just Spock, but Khan as well?

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Old August 26 2013, 09:08 PM   #73
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Or, what would you replace the self-destruct scene with, in terms of dramatic impact that the movie so desperately tried to achieve? Klingons kill not just David, but Saavik as well? Klingons kill Chekov (by accident, I presume)? Sarek dies before Spock is revived? Genesis revives not just Spock, but Khan as well?

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Agreed. The sacrifice of the Enterprise is possibly the most dramatic and memorable moment in the TSFS. It wouldn't want to lose it.
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Old August 27 2013, 12:47 AM   #74
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Re: What do we know about the years between ST5 and ST6?

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Or, what would you replace the self-destruct scene with, in terms of dramatic impact that the movie so desperately tried to achieve? Klingons kill not just David, but Saavik as well? Klingons kill Chekov (by accident, I presume)? Sarek dies before Spock is revived? Genesis revives not just Spock, but Khan as well?

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Agreed. The sacrifice of the Enterprise is possibly the most dramatic and memorable moment in the TSFS. It wouldn't want to lose it.
Same here. Brought tears to my eyes, the first time I saw it.
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Old August 27 2013, 02:15 AM   #75
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I personally think Uhura being a polyglot makes sense. If you're a comm officer encountering new life forms and the captain needs to talk to them, s/he needs you to do his job.
For me this has just always been implicit. I remember getting to read SPOCK MUST DIE! when I was 13 or so and not thinking twice about Uhura being the one to suggest coding messages to Starfleet that would fool Klingons with the aid of Eurish, the 'language' created by novelist James Joyce.

Damn, it has been 40 years and I still want to see a TREK space battle as good as the one in that little book (or better still, the one early on in THE WOUNDED SKY.)
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