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Old August 19 2013, 08:39 PM   #31
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Re: TNG Cold Equations Book 2, Silent Wpns Nic-Picks -- SPOILERS

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Chris, I not trying to get in a pi$$ing match with you. I'm just sayin the Chen character really didn't work for me. And yeah, all of it is my opinion. And yeah, I know LOTS of people that she is a turn off for. And yeah, I know a lot of people who thinks she is really a plot device.

And you said...."Over the years, I've heard more praise for T'Ryssa Chen than criticism, although not overwhelmingly more"

So, YOU must know people who don't like her too...and no, I don't want another pi$$ing match on how many people ya know that like her or dislike her.

Thankfully, it appears unlikely that she'll ever have a major role in a story, so if she's given some throw away lines, well then, I'll speed read through it. And yeah, if she has some big scene, I'll set my the speed for my eyeballs to read at maximum warp.

Not trying to hurt your feelings Chris or get you worked up, she just didn't work for me.
For almost 50 years there have been Trek fans, both of filmed characters and novel only characters, who've had something to say good and bad, about every, single, character. For all the hate you have for Chen, others have for had hate for, say, Archer or Kira. The authors and producers of Trek can't please every, single, watcher or reader out there.

While you may not like Chen, your example of her involvement in this story, is more than some simple plot device and in fact makes me think you only used it to hate on the Chen character. In fact, and this is not just because I love her character, she did something for me I couldn't wait to happen in this book, which was get rid of the Atlas. If not for what she did while in command, there would have been a shooting war with the Gorn because Bateson left someone in command who decided to take an aggressive stand first instead of a peaceful one, like Chen did.

Back in the day, if I remember correctly, Gene Roddenberry once said that it was always meant for starship commanders to attempt diplomacy first, and if that fails defend his ship and the Federation second.

Having Mack make it Chen instead of, let's say, Geordi, gives us a unique way for this to be done instead of the same old same old we've had for 50 years. I found it entertaining and quite clever that Chen was the one who defused the situation by lying. And the fact she did made me love, love, love the fact she outsmarted both the Atlas and the Gorn.

And for all the different jobs she's done in all the books, the whole point, and remind me if I read it wrong in one of the books, is that 40 percent of Starfleet and thousands of officers were killed by the Borg. Starfleet has had to make due with what it has, so it wouldn't just be a Picard thing, sending her to so many sections of the ship to do work, it would have been a choice that any captain would have made with an overworked ship and crew and very little replacements.
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Old August 19 2013, 08:42 PM   #32
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Uggh..like I said, Chen didn't work for me.
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Old August 19 2013, 09:02 PM   #33
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Having Mack make it Chen instead of, let's say, Geordi, gives us a unique way for this to be done instead of the same old same old we've had for 50 years. I found it entertaining and quite clever that Chen was the one who defused the situation by lying. And the fact she did made me love, love, love the fact she outsmarted both the Atlas and the Gorn.
I appreciate these comments. I did envision her as having something of the trickster about her, being a bit of a con artist, so yeah, it's cool that she kind of scammed her way to a solution.
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Old August 19 2013, 09:06 PM   #34
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Uggh..like I said, Chen didn't work for me.
So sorry to hear that. Hopefully you'll keep an open mind and see the opportunities of the character in the future and not read past her at warp speed. She really is a great addition to the Enterprise.
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Having Mack make it Chen instead of, let's say, Geordi, gives us a unique way for this to be done instead of the same old same old we've had for 50 years. I found it entertaining and quite clever that Chen was the one who defused the situation by lying. And the fact she did made me love, love, love the fact she outsmarted both the Atlas and the Gorn.
I appreciate these comments. I did envision her as having something of the trickster about her, being a bit of a con artist, so yeah, it's cool that she kind of scammed her way to a solution.
No problem. In a weird way she reminds me of my grandfather. He was a lot like that. And this isn't me just brown nosing, but out of all the new characters we've had on the Enterprise-E, Titan, DS9, Aventine and Voyager, she's my favorite. She's funny when she needs to be but there were times like when she lost her mother and tried to deal with her father that she almost made me cry. I have the exact same kind of relationship with my father. Absent in childhood yet makes an appearance after tragedy.
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Old August 22 2013, 12:22 AM   #36
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On the OT: Didn't the book specifically say that Chen wasn't sure why she had the conn and chalked it up as being some sort of "Picardian whimsy"?
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Old August 22 2013, 12:45 AM   #37
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^Yes, it was an accident of circumstance that she happened to be in charge when all the senior staff was off the ship and a crisis erupted.
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Old August 22 2013, 04:37 AM   #38
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^But as I said, she's not a first contact specialist. She deals with any interspecies contact or diplomacy, whether it's with a new species or an established one.
Just got to the part in "Losing the Peace" where Picard has to basically say as much to Chen after she protests against being on the Away Team that visits the Denevan refugee ship by specifically saying it's not 'first contact' since they're humans.
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