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Old August 18 2013, 09:52 PM   #16
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Re: Follow up for 'The 37's'

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Surely the Federation News Service employs fact-checkers? (In fact, fact-checking should be trivially easy with the level of AI we see in the Federation.) "Jamestown" is in the title of the article!
I'm sure Pocket Books employs fact-checkers too, but they didn't catch the mistake in real life.

And fact-checking is trivially easy today with Google, but there are still ridiculous factual errors all over the news. Fact-checkers are as fallible as anyone else. There's no such thing as a text that doesn't contain errors, which is why you never treat any uncorroborated text as absolute truth. Especially when it's not even a text about the subject in question, but just one that makes a passing metaphorical reference to it.

Errors are a fact of life. It makes a fictional world more realistic if we allow the people in it to be fallible, rather than insisting that every last word they ever utter is absolute revealed truth.
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Old August 18 2013, 10:20 PM   #17
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Yes, but Pocket can't feed its text into an AI that can search Space Wikipedia. I assume FNS can, and did.

Also I've never heard of the idea that texts are fallible, so it's a good thing you got that History B.A. and can tell me about it.
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Old August 18 2013, 10:43 PM   #18
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^All I'm saying is, it's a mistake in real life, so there's no reason it can't be a mistake in fiction as well. Yes, they have search engines, but we have search engines today, yet you still see egregious errors in the news all the time. Hell, sometimes Google results in more errors showing up on the news because there's so much bad information out there along with the good information. Search engines are only as good as their wielders.

So I'm sorry, but I'm not going to assume American history unfolded differently in the Trek universe just because of a passing reference in an art book from a decade and a half ago.
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Old August 18 2013, 10:50 PM   #19
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In the Star Trek universe, the lost early English colony was Jamestown, as established by New Worlds, New Civilizations.
I remember this mistake driving me nuts reading the book the first time.
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Old August 18 2013, 11:22 PM   #20
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^All I'm saying is, it's a mistake in real life, so there's no reason it can't be a mistake in fiction as well. Yes, they have search engines, but we have search engines today, yet you still see egregious errors in the news all the time. Hell, sometimes Google results in more errors showing up on the news because there's so much bad information out there along with the good information. Search engines are only as good as their wielders.

So I'm sorry, but I'm not going to assume American history unfolded differently in the Trek universe just because of a passing reference in an art book from a decade and a half ago.
I bet you don't believe the Eiffel Tower seen in The Undiscovered Country was the second one to be built, either.
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Old August 18 2013, 11:36 PM   #21
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I bet you don't believe the Eiffel Tower seen in The Undiscovered Country was the second one to be built, either.
Sorry - come again ?
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Old August 19 2013, 02:03 PM   #23
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It seems to me that when it comes to "fact checking" the old programmers mantra of "Garbage in, garbage out", would hold very true.

In the case of historical things the 23rd and 24th centuries are really no different from our own in that documents get lost, stories get altered and so by the time of the incident in question things may have gotten corrupted sufficiently about the lost colony that "everyone" believes that its name was Jamestown.

But even current events aren't safe. Try to find who really said "The problem is not that we are powerless but rather that we are powerful beyond imagining." No matter how deeply you dig you'll most likely find it attributed to Nelson Mandela, or you'll find someone claiming that it wasn't said by Nelson Mandela. But to the best of my knowledge you won't find any credible information on who actually said it.

Another example comes from when I wanted to find out where the bullshit practice of treating wait people's tips as income and taxing it came from. I've Googled and searched other avenues until my fingers were sore and can't find a reference to an original Bill introduced in the House or Senate.

So faster, even farther reaching doesn't automatically mean better, or more accurate.
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