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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old August 17 2013, 04:58 PM   #151
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Re: When did the perception of Insurrection change?

Ah, sorry. I was referring to INS, not TFF.
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Old August 17 2013, 05:12 PM   #152
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Ah, sorry. I was referring to INS, not TFF.
You said singing and my mind automatically went to The Final Frontier! My mistake.
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Old August 17 2013, 07:04 PM   #153
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Re: When did the perception of Insurrection change?

Of course opinion over the film has changed. This has happened without almost all of them. TMP was considered a boring creative failure - now many people consider it a cerebral masterpiece. On release, TSFS was considered a better film than TWOK. Even TUC is bashed more now. Opinions change over repeat viewings. Also, many of the people commenting today aren't the same fans as back then. The players change as people get older and die. So, yes, everything changes.

On the other hand, the music is wonderful. The best of Jerry Goldsmith's TNG movie scores.

I like all 10 original Trek films. IMO, not a bad film in the lot. I'm apparently the only person on Earth who feels this way. Good for me, since I was never let down. :-)
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Old August 17 2013, 08:54 PM   #154
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Re: When did the perception of Insurrection change?

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On the other hand, the music is wonderful. The best of Jerry Goldsmith's TNG movie scores.
I'll concede that I've listened to INSURRECTION's soundtrack album way more often than I've ever watched the movie.

Although I still give FIRST CONTACT's music the edge. Along with the soundtracks to KHAN and the 2009 movie, it's my go-to music to write STAR TREK by . . . .
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Old August 18 2013, 03:10 AM   #155
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Re: When did the perception of Insurrection change?

Interesting that you say that Greg, since I've been waffling on whether to buy the new soundtrack release since, aside from the opening music, I don't recall much of INS's soundtrack particularly making an impression on me.

I mean, I liked the singing, but I doubt that's included...or is it?
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Old August 18 2013, 05:09 AM   #156
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Re: When did the perception of Insurrection change?

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I've been waffling on whether to buy the new soundtrack release... I liked the singing, but I doubt that's included...or is it?
http://theseconddisc.com/2013/07/15/...talized-on-cd/

Star Trek: Insurrection – Expanded Collector’s Edition Soundtrack (originally released as GNP Crescendo GNPD 8059, 1998 – reissued GNP Crescendo 8082, 2013)
  1. Ba’ku Village
  2. Out of Orbit/Take Us In *
  3. Come Out
  4. In Custody
  5. Warp Capability/The Planet/Children’s Story *
  6. The Holodeck *
  7. How Old Are You Now/New Sight *
  8. Lost Ship/Prepare the Ship *
  9. As Long As We Can *
  10. Not Functioning/Send Your Ships *
  11. Growing Up/Wild Flowers/Photon Torpedo *
  12. The Drones Attack
  13. The Riker Maneuver
  14. Stay with Me *
  15. The Same Race
  16. The Collector *
  17. No Threat
  18. Tractor Beam *
  19. The Healing Process (Revised) *
  20. The Healing Process (Original Version)
  21. End Credits
  22. Ba’ku Village (Alternate Ending) *
  23. The Holodeck (Alternate Opening) *
  24. Growing Up (Alternate) *
  25. Tractor Beam (Alternate) *
* denotes previously unreleased track
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Old August 18 2013, 05:45 AM   #157
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Re: When did the perception of Insurrection change?

Hm. That kind of looks like a no to my question. Unfortunate but not unexpected.
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Old August 18 2013, 07:01 PM   #158
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Re: When did the perception of Insurrection change?

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Of course opinion over the film has changed. This has happened without almost all of them. TMP was considered a boring creative failure - now many people consider it a cerebral masterpiece. On release, TSFS was considered a better film than TWOK. Even TUC is bashed more now. Opinions change over repeat viewings. Also, many of the people commenting today aren't the same fans as back then. The players change as people get older and die. So, yes, everything changes.

On the other hand, the music is wonderful. The best of Jerry Goldsmith's TNG movie scores.

I like all 10 original Trek films. IMO, not a bad film in the lot. I'm apparently the only person on Earth who feels this way. Good for me, since I was never let down. :-)

outside of this BBS, I don't think there's been a big fandom shift on TMP to the extent that many consider it to be a "cerebral masterpiece."

it's still ranked pretty low in popularity among Trek films.


probably because it's derivative and glacially slow...
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Old August 18 2013, 11:03 PM   #159
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^TMP is one I don't watch if I need to stay awake.
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Old August 19 2013, 12:06 AM   #160
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^TMP is one I don't watch if I need to stay awake.

it was the only Trek film that I just couldn't get through on one sitting. I had to stop it and re-start it a few times to finish.


And just in case someone brings it up, this is not about lack of action, because I really like TVH, and that has very little action in it.
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Old August 19 2013, 04:39 PM   #161
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When I go to see a Star Trek movie I want something larger in scope than an episode of the series.
Exactly, this is my problem with insurrection, on the big screen you haven't got the luxury of building character relationships over a long story arc (arguably it's already been done in the series) and for me the stakes and the peril need to be higher in the movies
I agree except that the stakes should also be something different from Earth always being (directly) endangered.
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Old August 19 2013, 04:41 PM   #162
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Re: When did the perception of Insurrection change?

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^TMP is one I don't watch if I need to stay awake.

it was the only Trek film that I just couldn't get through on one sitting. I had to stop it and re-start it a few times to finish.


And just in case someone brings it up, this is not about lack of action, because I really like TVH, and that has very little action in it.
I think TMP is an acquired taste. There's alot of good stuff in there but also soooo much bullshit.
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Old August 23 2013, 05:10 AM   #163
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Re: When did the perception of Insurrection change?

If you look at any Star Trek film, or episode for that matter, with a critical eye then it's all a bunch of bull shit. But it's fantasy, and that's what it's there for That's why I turn off my critiques whenever I watch one of these. I just go "hey, it's Star Trek, your favorite TV show. Sit back and enjoy it and just don't give a damn."
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Old August 24 2013, 11:08 PM   #164
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Re: When did the perception of Insurrection change?

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Even TUC is bashed more now.
TUC is very tied to the ending of the cold war between east and west, and as that recedes more into history the movie makes less sense. To my generation it's a relic of the past, equal to vietnam and korea.

Even a single scene where Admiral Cartwright and the other conspirators explain their motivations and reasoning really would have helped the movie.

Something more than "Gee, I don't trust the Klingons, I hope we never have peace."

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Old August 25 2013, 12:11 AM   #165
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Even TUC is bashed more now.
TUC is very tied to the ending of the cold war between east and west, and as that recedes more into history the movie makes less sense. To my generation it's a relic of the past, equal to vietnam and korea.

Even a single scene where Admiral Cartwright and the other conspirators explain their motivations and reasoning really would have helped the movie.

Something more than "Gee, I don't trust the Klingons, I hope we never have peace."

As things like the cold war recede into history, the more important it is to teach that history and remember it.

It may be seen as less relevant these days, but it's still important to know what happened and why. Those things are a part of all of us, and if we don't learn from the mistakes of previous generations, well, you know the rest ...
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