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Old August 18 2013, 06:36 PM   #61
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Re: Star Trek Voyager: Protectors by Kirsten Beyer, Jan 2014!

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I must admit, when the Vesta Class Quirinal and Esquiline were trapped in the Omega Continuum by their saucer and engineering sections (I can't recall which was which), I thought they would perform emergency separations and the surviving sections unite to form a new ship.

The Voyager fleet is rather badly under strength now - will they be getting reinforcements ?
Somebody in Starfleet should sent to Rura Penthe for the whole DQ mission - Starfleet losses at 40% post-Destiny and two Vesta class ships getting lost in that manner? Yikes.
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Old August 19 2013, 12:04 AM   #62
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You really need SPOILER codes. You are spoiling things in a thread that's not supposed to be spoiling anything.
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Old August 19 2013, 12:33 AM   #63
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You really need SPOILER codes. You are spoiling things in a thread that's not supposed to be spoiling anything.
It was my understanding that care is taken within a two or three month period from the books release. That one's been out for the best part of a year...
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Old August 19 2013, 12:43 AM   #64
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You really need SPOILER codes. You are spoiling things in a thread that's not supposed to be spoiling anything.
Again?
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Old August 19 2013, 02:27 AM   #65
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You really need SPOILER codes. You are spoiling things in a thread that's not supposed to be spoiling anything.
It was my understanding that care is taken within a two or three month period from the books release. That one's been out for the best part of a year...
And have you read every book that's been out for a year? If you can answer yes, I'll leave this be. If you cannot say yes, then go back and put in the spoiler codes.

Not everyone has read every Star Trek book. We do get people coming in asking what to read not having kept up or just starting. So we know a year old Trek book spoilers can be spoiling books for others.
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Old August 19 2013, 02:27 AM   #66
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You really need SPOILER codes. You are spoiling things in a thread that's not supposed to be spoiling anything.
Again?
Still because some don't realize not everyone has read everything.
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Old August 19 2013, 02:54 AM   #67
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You really need SPOILER codes. You are spoiling things in a thread that's not supposed to be spoiling anything.
It was my understanding that care is taken within a two or three month period from the books release. That one's been out for the best part of a year...
And have you read every book that's been out for a year? If you can answer yes, I'll leave this be. If you cannot say yes, then go back and put in the spoiler codes.

Not everyone has read every Star Trek book. We do get people coming in asking what to read not having kept up or just starting. So we know a year old Trek book spoilers can be spoiling books for others.
Do they generally come into threads for future books that are part of the ongoing narrative and continue reading?

That'd be silly.
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Old August 19 2013, 10:04 AM   #68
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You really need SPOILER codes. You are spoiling things in a thread that's not supposed to be spoiling anything.
Again?
Still because some don't realize not everyone has read everything.
There is an old phrase, it's best to remember, one that doesn't seem to have much use in many walks of life, but it's called common sense.

This is a thread about the upcoming novel in an ongoing series where the last novel had some pretty big and wide ranging effects on the progression of the ongoing narrative.

To think that said events will not be discussed is silly, to think that they need to put under spoiler code, again, is silly.

Or is this because you've not read The Eternal Tide, which in itself isn't a bad thing, I've not read everything ever published. But to come in a thread about the upcoming novel in an ongoing series, see a few spoilers, which to be fair, aren't spoilers if you've read the book and start demanding everything be put under spoiler tags (because if it's worked once, it may work again) is pretty damn silly.

Just remember that old phrase: Common Sense.
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Old August 19 2013, 01:55 PM   #69
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^Preach!
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Just remember that old phrase: Common Sense.
That kind of talk is heresy in today's world.
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Old August 19 2013, 03:55 PM   #71
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Look, I didn't think the spoiler thing was an issue with a novel that old. I was under the impression that the convention was to use spoiler tags on books for a few months after release. I especially didn't think it was necessary in a thread discussing a follow up novel where speculation based on previous events seems inevitable.

Personally I take spoilers on older novels as to be expected - its my call whether to read the thread.

I am sorry if I upset anyone, but would be really grateful if someone could give me hard and fast rules on when it is appropriate/not needed.
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Old August 19 2013, 04:07 PM   #72
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Look, I didn't think the spoiler thing was an issue with a novel that old. I was under the impression that the convention was to use spoiler tags on books for a few months after release. I especially didn't think it was necessary in a thread discussing a follow up novel where speculation based on previous events seems inevitable.

Personally I take spoilers on older novels as to be expected - its my call whether to read the thread.

I am sorry if I upset anyone, but would be really grateful if someone could give me hard and fast rules on when it is appropriate/not needed.
There's no need to get so defensive and no need to be sorry, in my eyes, you did nothing what so ever wrong in any shape or form. As I put it, we're discussing the upcoming novel in an ongoing series and the last book had some pretty big ramifications for the series so it's natural to discuss past events and there is really no need to hide everything behind spoiler tags.

I'm glad to see you, unlike others have a sense of common sense regarding spoilers, I'm of the same opinion, if I don't want to know about something that's happened in the past of an ongoing series and haven't got that far, I'll steer clear of the thread about the next book in the series.

Now, I'm not a mod, so you don't need to pay attention to what is ultimately my own opinion, but nor is jwolf and again, you don't need to pay attention to what is ultimately his own opinion.
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Old August 19 2013, 04:37 PM   #73
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Coming into this thread it stands to reason plot points of previous installments might be discussed. Hell, the backcover blurb for this book could have been "After Chakotay was beheaded on Sigma Alpha 12, the Voyager crew...".
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Old August 19 2013, 05:11 PM   #74
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Kirsten Beyer's posted this nice little catch up article at Trekcore: http://trekcore.com/blog/2013/08/cat...kirsten-beyer/

Warning: Total spoilers for the Voyager relaunch
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Old August 19 2013, 07:49 PM   #75
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Re: Star Trek Voyager: Protectors by Kirsten Beyer, Jan 2014!

Last time this came up, I said six months for spoilers codes, because things do move more slowly in the lit world. I don't have the encyclopedic knowledge of the rest of you, so I don't know when the book Relayer1 is referencing was published but if it's more than six months ago then he's done nothing wrong.

JWolf - you don't have the right to demand people spoiler code everything, that's ludicrous. So please stop doing it.
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