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Old August 18 2013, 09:17 AM   #31
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Bravo to Gene,

It is cool that people dance around with the topic but it was never Gene's intention for people to interpret kirk and spock as lovers. If Kirk and Spock are loves so is James Bond and M. However Gene was not the type of person that discourage people to have opinions different from his.

I heard this rumour that Gene actually wanted Spock and chapel to get married at the end of TOS. I don't know if this is true, however I wont be surprised when you consider that the character who played Nurse Chapel was married to Gene and she always seemed to have this enduring love for Spock.
Frankly I'd rather Spock marry Kirk than Chapel.

Chapel was just an embarressment ro womanhood. I've got nothing against her crushing on Spock but to fall all over him in such an obvious way yuck!
I wouldn't have minded him marrying the Chapel in "What Are Little Girl's Made Of?" but to have her practically swooning every time she saw him... I probably would never watch Star Trek agin if Spock married Chapel.
If there were a nuChapel and she wasn't as embarressing as the old Chapel then maybe.

Anyway Spock didn't even like Chapel except maybe that one scene in "Amok Time" (When Spock was pretty desperate) where it is said Chapel missed her opportunity for a roll in the hay with Spock.

Some slash people also say Gene's footnote in TMP proves that Kirk could be bisexual by saying 'best' and 'love in ... many ... forms' and the 7 year Vulcan thing (which obviously isn't true). By addressing it, Gene has curiously validated it.
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Old August 18 2013, 10:26 AM   #32
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I don't want Spock to marry Kirk, BLECH. I just want them to have hot hot sex. Also, throw in some angst for those that are into that kind of thing.
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Old August 18 2013, 02:07 PM   #33
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Bravo to Gene,

It is cool that people dance around with the topic but it was never Gene's intention for people to interpret kirk and spock as lovers. If Kirk and Spock are loves so is James Bond and M. However Gene was not the type of person that discourage people to have opinions different from his.

I heard this rumour that Gene actually wanted Spock and chapel to get married at the end of TOS. I don't know if this is true, however I wont be surprised when you consider that the character who played Nurse Chapel was married to Gene and she always seemed to have this enduring love for Spock.
Frankly I'd rather Spock marry Kirk than Chapel.

Chapel was just an embarressment ro womanhood. I've got nothing against her crushing on Spock but to fall all over him in such an obvious way yuck!
I wouldn't have minded him marrying the Chapel in "What Are Little Girl's Made Of?" but to have her practically swooning every time she saw him... I probably would never watch Star Trek agin if Spock married Chapel.
If there were a nuChapel and she wasn't as embarressing as the old Chapel then maybe.

Anyway Spock didn't even like Chapel except maybe that one scene in "Amok Time" (When Spock was pretty desperate) where it is said Chapel missed her opportunity for a roll in the hay with Spock.

Some slash people also say Gene's footnote in TMP proves that Kirk could be bisexual by saying 'best' and 'love in ... many ... forms' and the 7 year Vulcan thing (which obviously isn't true). By addressing it, Gene has curiously validated it.

NO...I don't think Kirk is bi sexual and what's with the hate aginst Chapel now?

chapel was not so bad, It was obvious that spock would have given her chance if he embraced his emotions.
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Old August 18 2013, 05:27 PM   #34
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I don't want Spock to marry Kirk, BLECH. I just want them to have hot hot sex. Also, throw in some angst for those that are into that kind of thing.
Spock has to marry/bond someone doesn't he?
I'm only joking about it being Kirk, well mostly

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Bravo to Gene,

It is cool that people dance around with the topic but it was never Gene's intention for people to interpret kirk and spock as lovers. If Kirk and Spock are loves so is James Bond and M. However Gene was not the type of person that discourage people to have opinions different from his.

I heard this rumour that Gene actually wanted Spock and chapel to get married at the end of TOS. I don't know if this is true, however I wont be surprised when you consider that the character who played Nurse Chapel was married to Gene and she always seemed to have this enduring love for Spock.
Frankly I'd rather Spock marry Kirk than Chapel.

Chapel was just an embarressment ro womanhood. I've got nothing against her crushing on Spock but to fall all over him in such an obvious way yuck!
I wouldn't have minded him marrying the Chapel in "What Are Little Girl's Made Of?" but to have her practically swooning every time she saw him... I probably would never watch Star Trek agin if Spock married Chapel.
If there were a nuChapel and she wasn't as embarressing as the old Chapel then maybe.

Anyway Spock didn't even like Chapel except maybe that one scene in "Amok Time" (When Spock was pretty desperate) where it is said Chapel missed her opportunity for a roll in the hay with Spock.

Some slash people also say Gene's footnote in TMP proves that Kirk could be bisexual by saying 'best' and 'love in ... many ... forms' and the 7 year Vulcan thing (which obviously isn't true). By addressing it, Gene has curiously validated it.

NO...I don't think Kirk is bi sexual and what's with the hate aginst Chapel now?

chapel was not so bad, It was obvious that spock would have given her chance if he embraced his emotions.
How can anyone like Spock/Chapel?

Spock would never choose her.

OK if Spock's not going to marry me then I'll go the female Romulan Commander or Leila. Chapel would be very low on my list of possible candidates - just above that Droxine woman and T'Pring
I'm talking old school TOS of course
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Old August 18 2013, 09:02 PM   #35
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Rather than pick up at the beginning of the 5 year mission, let the next movie take place 2 to 3 years in. That way, Kirk and crew can draw on those experiences to face the feature challenge.
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Old August 19 2013, 12:41 AM   #36
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I don't want Spock to marry Kirk, BLECH. I just want them to have hot hot sex. Also, throw in some angst for those that are into that kind of thing.
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Old August 19 2013, 01:33 AM   #37
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I don't want Spock to marry Kirk, BLECH. I just want them to have hot hot sex. Also, throw in some angst for those that are into that kind of thing.
'Twilight' fans?
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Old August 20 2013, 12:55 PM   #38
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I agree it's spoiled only because it's been revealed that this Kirk is a terrible captain who self-admittedly doesn't know what to do and needs someone in the chair who does know what they're doing and that's not him. That's Spock, apparently (and Trekkies love this movie?).
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I agree it's spoiled only because it's been revealed that this Kirk is a terrible captain who self-admittedly doesn't know what to do and needs someone in the chair who does know what they're doing and that's not him. That's Spock, apparently (and Trekkies love this movie?).
Some Trekkies like this movie, some do not. As it is with all Trek movies.
I don't know why he gave command to Spock though. I'm not sure what the writers were trying to say. Obviously they want us still to think that Kirk is the right Captain as he had his Captaincy at the end of the movie. Did he really give Spock the conn because he thought he wasn't good enough or thought he was better in the middle of the action. Was he thinking he was compromised or personally reponsible for the situation so he personally had to fix it? I am confused here. What were they trying to say?
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Old August 21 2013, 08:39 AM   #40
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I agree it's spoiled only because it's been revealed that this Kirk is a terrible captain who self-admittedly doesn't know what to do and needs someone in the chair who does know what they're doing and that's not him. That's Spock, apparently (and Trekkies love this movie?).
You think Kirk Prime always knew what he was doing? NuKirk just had the balls to admit it.
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Old August 22 2013, 05:19 PM   #41
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kirk's character in the new movies is going through a major character arc of responsibility.
Kirk in the first film went through an arc of learning and giving up his habit of being a smart-ass dickhead.

Kirk in the second film took 2 steps back in order to make the same tedious 1 step forward that it had already made previously. Yawn.

Kirk being repeatedly rewarded with hero status and promotion despite continually being an unlikable little shit is one of the poorer parts of these films.
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Old August 22 2013, 08:52 PM   #42
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kirk's character in the new movies is going through a major character arc of responsibility.
Kirk in the first film went through an arc of learning and giving up his habit of being a smart-ass dickhead.
Judging by TOS nuKirk had way more character development in that area in 2 hours than originalKirk had in 3 seasons
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