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Old August 14 2013, 02:58 AM   #136
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Re: What you DON'T want to see in Star Trek 3

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The only way to "Fix" the timeline be to stop Spock and Nero from every being thrown back in time in the first place. You'd have to fix it in the Prime Timeline.
So that would mean.... hmmm...the temporal "police" would have to do it, but then they must be slacking on the job which seems highly unlikely a scenario.

It seems plausible that Spock was thrown in a parallel universe with a different quantum signature & sent back in time as well, which would mean no temporal police intervention when an event which occured outside the quantum signature universe would not be seen nor foreseen as a change in the timeline.

Mayhap a search for Spock by his remaining friends... Uhura, Sulu, Checkov, & Scotty to just come and get Spock and take him home then?
I certainly hope not. In the first place, it would "break the rules" of time travel as established in Trek 09. In the second place, if that scenario were to play out, it would simply create another paradox--Spock was not "lost" from a period where any of these characters was alive. Lastly, it would be tedious to watch.
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Old August 14 2013, 03:16 AM   #137
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Abrams Trek seems to be playing by Back To The Future rules when it comes to time travel.
Really? It seems to be the opposite to me. Changing the past in 1955 puts Marty in danger of disappearing. In Abrams' version of time travel, Marty would simply be trapped in 1955 and have to live in the alternate universe his actions created.
I'm thinking the part that happens when you slip into a skewed timeline, from that point forward you can only travel along the new timeline unless you prevent what caused the timelines to skew in the past.

In Nu-Trek's case, you'd have to stop Spock and Nero in the original timeline, before they went through the blackhole. Assuming the Nu-Trek timeline doesn't split further back than we believe.
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Old August 14 2013, 04:48 AM   #138
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No more of the "wrong" characters "dying." I laughed out loud in the theater when Spock yelled Khaaaan! when Kirk died. I couldn't help it.
The hard core Trek side of me just isn't excited for another movie. I liked the first one but I was just kinda meh over Into Darkness.
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Old August 14 2013, 04:58 AM   #139
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Damon Lindelof's name in the writing credits.
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Old August 14 2013, 06:22 AM   #140
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This Search for Vulcan does actually sound very exciting, but the current screenwriters aren't able to make the movie stay still long enough for it to work.
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Old August 14 2013, 07:02 AM   #141
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Not another gargantuan sized villain ship.
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No more fanwank ships please.
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Old August 14 2013, 08:15 AM   #142
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P.S.: Just a couple months ago quite a few people wanted the Borg. Now all of a sudden nobody wants them. Moving goalposts much?
Only if the people who wanted them before are exactly the same people who now don't want them. The statistical margin of error for a forum of constantly-shifting population is more than large enough to soak up the difference, otherwise.


M', didn't want the Borg before and still don't
I've been over the Borg since First Contact. We need some new enemies, competent enemies.

Kirk got his 5 year mission at the end of STII, lets run with that. Hell the Talosians or the Tholians could be interesting on the big screen if done right.
THOLIANS! Yes! I still remember seeing the episode "The Tholian Web". Most alien looking aliens I'd ever seen! They reinvented them in "Enterprise."

I'd like to see an alien that we haven't seen yet. So no more borrowing from TOS or the early movies.
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Old August 14 2013, 03:02 PM   #143
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I admit I do love the Tholians and would like to see them appear again. A movie budget would allow for seeing their true forms in CGI more easily.
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Old August 14 2013, 05:40 PM   #144
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Put me down for:
  1. No transwarp beaming. It's still stupid.
  2. No "skydiving" scenes.
  3. No immature Kirk, and no references to Kirk's cavorting. Let's let the man grow up.
I'd be down for some Tholians, though.
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Old August 16 2013, 08:17 PM   #145
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I don't want to see Khan in ST III. Maybe in a future film, but not this one. Let him sleep for now. Forever, if that's what it takes.

They've done that bit quite enough, IMHO. I want the villain (if there is one) to be someone other than Khan. I have nothing against the character or Cumberbatch - I thought STID was great. But they should let that drop for now.
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Old August 16 2013, 09:37 PM   #146
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Tholians would be bad ass.
I agree they shouldn't do any more with Khan, that's just overkill.
It would be nice if they didn't use plotlines from the original movies, because then every trekkie in the room is going to know what to expect, basically, that's how my sister and I felt in the theater. We figured out mostly everything before it actually happened.
Something kapow! would be awesome. Tholians fit the bill.
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Old August 17 2013, 09:14 PM   #147
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To me, the point of having Khan in the cryotube was a throwback to how Khan came back in "Wrath of Khan" after "Space Seed." It should remain nothing more than a nod. The only reason to bring Khan back is if they're going to make him something other than an antagonist.

There was a moment in "Into Darkness" where I honestly thought in this universe Khan might end up not being an enemy.
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Old August 17 2013, 09:43 PM   #148
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To me, the point of having Khan in the cryotube was a throwback to how Khan came back in "Wrath of Khan" after "Space Seed." It should remain nothing more than a nod. The only reason to bring Khan back is if they're going to make him something other than an antagonist.

There was a moment in "Into Darkness" where I honestly thought in this universe Khan might end up not being an enemy.
Thing is, I still don't see Khan as the enemy in STID. Marcus, sure, but I feel sorry for Khan. They made him a bad ass, but they didn't sell the war criminal, genocidal madman side of the character. Sure, he's a superior asshole, but his people are being held hostage and loaded into torpedoes, he was blackmailed into help Marcus, used to attempt to start an interstellar war, Starfleet (from his POV) issued orders to kill him and his people when he didn't. He's got a right to be pissed off at Starfleet, I was cheering for him for a good portion of the movie.
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Old August 17 2013, 09:52 PM   #149
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I kind of rooted for him as well until the heel-face turn at the end.

You bring up a very good point - expecting us to both feel sorry for him and yet expecting us to understand that he was a monster not to be trusted (per Spock Prime) was somewhat schizophrenic and not totally reconcilable.
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Old August 18 2013, 02:08 AM   #150
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No TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, or other movie rehashes
No revenge plot, no singular villain or antagonist
No Romulans or Klingons

Yes exploration themes, a TOS theme revisit would be OK
Yes Kirk the problem solver, cunning strategist, and tough decision maker
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