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Old August 17 2013, 03:16 PM   #46
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It's to reinforce their own delusion in a world that is increasingly skeptical of Christianity. The film could be considered propaganda, but I disagree with the politics and values of the vast majority of entertainment I like. My favourite song is Supper's Ready, a song about the Book of Revelation's apocalypse, by a band with a name from the Bible. The song ends with an incredibly pro-Jesus sentiment.

This stuff doesn't really phase me any more. The belief system is just so ingrained in our society, and basic Christian philosophy is so important to the development of my country and why I'm so fond of it.
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Old August 17 2013, 04:48 PM   #47
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Well you have a point there. But these books seems like a kind of fundie Christian version of torture porn to me. It gives them the opportunity to get their rocks off watching/reading about a group of people they are prejudiced against get slaughtered for daring not believe the same things they do, while fantasising about watching it from their perch in heaven.

It's not about whether it's believable or not, but about why somebody would want to read about or watch that. I suspect it is simply to reinforce their own feeling of superiority.
Aren't most fairytales/fantasy stories, including the Bible, just morality plays and/or metaphors for the author's world view?

And most of those end up with at least some characters dying/suffering because of their failure to abide by the story's morality.

As such, there seems to be little reason to be more offended by "Left Behind" than any other fantasy story.
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Old August 17 2013, 04:57 PM   #48
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The author's world view in this instance is quite twisted.
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Old August 17 2013, 05:09 PM   #49
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What's so twisted about it insofar as it is based on an actual belief of that particular religion?
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Old August 17 2013, 05:14 PM   #50
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I did not know that Nicolas Cage had financial problems. That explains his slew of bad movies choices in recent years.
He brought a house near here a few years ago, even switched on the Christmas lights because of this, I'm not sure if he still owns it though.

Johnny Depp owns a flat on the Royal Cresent as well, never seen him out and about though.
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Old August 17 2013, 05:16 PM   #51
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Someone gave me the first book in the 'Left Behind' series to read, saying it was 'Incredible!' It was... Incredibly Awful. By far the worst written book I ever had the displeasure of barely reading. Calling it 'Fanfic' is being kind, and is insulting to Fanfic writers. Whoever the authors are, they couldn't write for a middle school newspaper, let alone a novel.
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Old August 17 2013, 05:52 PM   #52
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Johnny Depp owns a flat on the Royal Cresent as well, never seen him out and about though.
Depp's fond of disguises though, so you might have seen him and not realized it.

I generally like Cage's work, and I think he did well in Knowing. It's the only film of his I currently have, and I'd bought it because I saw Alex Proyas' name on it. But the script is a mess though it tries to deal with similar themes as the Rapture films.

The Left Behind series might work for mainstream audiences if it were played like that The Prophecy series with Christopher Walken.
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Old August 17 2013, 06:53 PM   #53
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Calling it 'Fanfic' is being kind, and is insulting to Fanfic writers
Well, the Bible itself is essentially Jewish fan-fiction.
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Old August 17 2013, 07:01 PM   #54
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What's so twisted about it insofar as it is based on an actual belief of that particular religion?
So I guess the Aztecs' human sacrifice wasn't twisted because hey, that was "based on an actual belief of that particular religion" also? Come on, hombre. Revelation is itself a twisted and vicious polemic against inclusive vice traditionally Jewish followers of Jesus.
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Old August 17 2013, 07:34 PM   #55
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What's so twisted about it insofar as it is based on an actual belief of that particular religion?
So I guess the Aztecs' human sacrifice wasn't twisted because hey, that was "based on an actual belief of that particular religion" also? Come on, hombre. Revelation is itself a twisted and vicious polemic against inclusive vice traditionally Jewish followers of Jesus.
Revelation is a fairy tale that imagines something bad happening to non-believers through magic at some point in the future. Human sacrifice is actually killing another human being. I'm surprised you aren't capable of drawing what is an obvious distinction.
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Old August 17 2013, 07:57 PM   #56
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Revelation's inherent nihilism - God's gonna kill/allow to be killed pretty much all the unbelievers anyway, so what harm is there in sending 'em his way a bit earlier? - not to mention its anti-environmentalism (who cares about saving the rainforests, God's gonna torch everything all any day now) - has almost certainly encouraged, and probably in some cases caused, all sorts of killing and slaughter (not to mention indifference to environmental crises) in religion's name. I'm surprised you aren't capable of employing such basic critical/historical reasoning.
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Old August 17 2013, 08:03 PM   #57
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Good points. A God of love doesn't invent horrors, allow the holocaust, or invent infinite punishment for finite sin

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That shit was way popular several years ago. There must be renewed interest because Obama is the Antichrist.
I'm convinced that is the reason no gun nut has tried to assasinate him. He wears body armor, but if he takes a head shot and lives--so they don't dare.

That fear may also be what is keeping him safe.
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Old August 17 2013, 09:37 PM   #58
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Someone gave me the first book in the 'Left Behind' series to read, saying it was 'Incredible!' It was... Incredibly Awful. By far the worst written book I ever had the displeasure of barely reading. Calling it 'Fanfic' is being kind, and is insulting to Fanfic writers. Whoever the authors are, they couldn't write for a middle school newspaper, let alone a novel.
That is one of the best descriptions I ever heard of the books. I tried several times at the bookstore [when I worked there] to read some of the books, and they're just bad books. The read like an author that sat down and said "Fuck, I need to pay the bills, what's an easy sell...hey, I'll write a fanfic on the Bible and sell it as Christian fiction!".

There's nothing wrong with using the Bible or books of the Bible as plot bunnies. But at least have some fucking respect for your target audience and actually try to tell as story that's worth telling.
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Old August 18 2013, 12:53 AM   #59
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Revelation's inherent nihilism - God's gonna kill/allow to be killed pretty much all the unbelievers anyway, so what harm is there in sending 'em his way a bit earlier? - not to mention its anti-environmentalism (who cares about saving the rainforests, God's gonna torch everything all any day now) - has almost certainly encouraged, and probably in some cases caused, all sorts of killing and slaughter (not to mention indifference to environmental crises) in religion's name. I'm surprised you aren't capable of employing such basic critical/historical reasoning.

So, what you are saying is that Christianity itself is inherently twisted.

I'm not saying I completely disagree. Personally, I find all religions to exist largely to control people create differences where they should not exist and/or excuse wars. However, if one singles out Christianity then that's basically religious bigotry.
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Old August 18 2013, 03:43 AM   #60
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^ The Book of Revelation is one of the oddest ducks in the NT canon, and I naturally don't blame the authors of all the other books for that which the "John" in question wrote. On balance, I far prefer the NT to the OT, but as a matter of philosophy, let alone a possible prediction of actual future events, Revelation sucks hard.

... And the only reason I'm singling it out for criticism here is that Revelation is kinda the whole point of the thread, no?
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