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Old August 16 2013, 06:21 PM   #16
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Re: Redshirt Chekov

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Old August 16 2013, 10:25 PM   #17
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Real world - They're going to use a member of the main cast over some no name. As mentioned above.

In universe - Kirk knew Chekov better than any one currently on staff in engineering and wanted someone he actually knew in Engineering during a critical mission. There's no evidence the assignment would've been permanent if Scotty hadn't come back.
The strange thing is, this feeds into the idea mentioned in this old thread I posted months ago that the stand-in chief engineer should have been a woman and not Chekov (of course, I don't agree with the person who suggested that.)
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Old August 16 2013, 10:28 PM   #18
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Real world - They're going to use a member of the main cast over some no name. As mentioned above.

In universe - Kirk knew Chekov better than any one currently on staff in engineering and wanted someone he actually knew in Engineering during a critical mission. There's no evidence the assignment would've been permanent if Scotty hadn't come back.
The strange thing is, this feeds into the idea mentioned in this old thread I posted months ago that the stand-in chief engineer should have been a woman and not Chekov (of course, I don't agree with the person who suggested that.)
People tend to forget its a movie. They aren't going to waste valuable screen time on a new/one off character and have a regular sit on the sidelines.
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Old August 17 2013, 12:26 AM   #19
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Re: Redshirt Chekov

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Real world - They're going to use a member of the main cast over some no name. As mentioned above.

In universe - Kirk knew Chekov better than any one currently on staff in engineering and wanted someone he actually knew in Engineering during a critical mission. There's no evidence the assignment would've been permanent if Scotty hadn't come back.
The strange thing is, this feeds into the idea mentioned in this old thread I posted months ago that the stand-in chief engineer should have been a woman and not Chekov (of course, I don't agree with the person who suggested that.)
That was a painful, painful thread.
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Old August 17 2013, 10:04 AM   #20
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But Chekov covered for Spock in TOS, despite not being part of the science divison. What were Spock's blueshirts doing then? Or in TAS when Arex covered when Spock was away?


...or even TNG, when helmsman LaForge was suddenly the best man to take over engineering in season two? Were Argyle's people really that useless?
As usual, you hit the nail right on the head.

From a narrative point of view, having Chekov in Engineering makes sense. It gives him a bigger role and focus and showcases more of his skills. Having a one-off role for the position of Chief Engineer is a mistake as the character will be quickly cast aside. Unless Scotty is replaced permanently, it only makes sense to have a main cast member fill in.

Scotty himself was assigned to the Enterprise over any one of the possible replacements for Olson. I wonder why Spock didn't assign someone as chief engineer immediately after the Vulcan incident?

Besides, I wonder how helmsmen McKenna and Lieutenant Hawkins felt in Star Trek 2009 when they were permanently replaced on the Enterprise by Sulu and Uhura, respectively?
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Old August 17 2013, 03:16 PM   #21
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^They filed a complaint to the labor relations board.
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^They filed a complaint to the labor relations board.


I'm just going to assume they work a different shift now. It's not like Uhura and Sulu can work 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
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Old August 17 2013, 07:57 PM   #23
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Re: Redshirt Chekov

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But Chekov covered for Spock in TOS, despite not being part of the science divison. What were Spock's blueshirts doing then? Or in TAS when Arex covered when Spock was away?

...or even TNG, when helmsman LaForge was suddenly the best man to take over engineering in season two? Were Argyle's people really that useless?
As usual, you hit the nail right on the head.

From a narrative point of view, having Chekov in Engineering makes sense. It gives him a bigger role and focus and showcases more of his skills. Having a one-off role for the position of Chief Engineer is a mistake as the character will be quickly cast aside. Unless Scotty is replaced permanently, it only makes sense to have a main cast member fill in.

Scotty himself was assigned to the Enterprise over any one of the possible replacements for Olson. I wonder why Spock didn't assign someone as chief engineer immediately after the Vulcan incident?

Besides, I wonder how helmsmen McKenna and Lieutenant Hawkins felt in Star Trek 2009 when they were permanently replaced on the Enterprise by Sulu and Uhura, respectively?
Personally, I think Chekov's role could have been expanded and he could have delivered pretty much all the dialogue he delivered without promoting him to be the chief. He might be a good engineer but a department head needs command experience, administrative skills, and rank.

Geordi was a lieutenant who was about 10 years older than Chekov with maybe 5 years experience on different ships in different departments. Chekov is an ensign with a year's experience as a subordinate in a different department.

It makes sense to give him more to do, the department transfer was more plausible than making him security chief in TMP but the promotion to chief was a step too far for me.

They could do with tripling the number of women in speaking roles and we'd still have more men. Making the chief a woman would not have been a bad idea IMO even if Chekov delivered most of the dialogue.
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Old August 17 2013, 08:08 PM   #24
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Then you'd be complaining Chekov was delivering lines that rightfully belonged to CEO Whatsername.
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Old August 17 2013, 09:50 PM   #25
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Then you'd be complaining Chekov was delivering lines that rightfully belonged to CEO Whatsername.
It's like you read my mind!
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Old August 18 2013, 10:46 AM   #26
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Then you'd be complaining Chekov was delivering lines that rightfully belonged to CEO Whatsername.
It's like you read my mind!
Ha! I have complained that TOS Kirk, Spock, and McCoy stole lines and jobs from better qualified sub-ordinates, that's true, but that was because I wanted those characters to develop their niche. The writers in NuTrek seem to be trying (too) hard to give the characters a niche so I think it's more an issue of balancing that with a degree of realism.

I wouldn't complain if Chekov was the go-to mouthpiece of engineering unless the actual chief got no lines at all. That makes literary sense and plot sense.

Plus there are degrees of complaint. Not every complaint is absolute. Even on the internet!
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