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Old August 17 2013, 03:58 AM   #31
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Re: Nicolas Cage's Career hits a new low.

It will probably be a big hit in the rural areas, with churches planning busloads to the theaters. For metropolitan areas, maybe not so much. It might also be one of the few times Cage doesn't say "fuck" in a movie.
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Old August 17 2013, 04:41 AM   #32
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I liked him in "Moonstruck," but thinking about it, I haven't liked him in much else. But I LOVE Moonstruck. Hubby and I quote it on a weekly basis.
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Old August 17 2013, 04:58 AM   #33
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Diamanda Hagan did pretty good review of the original Left Behind movies (probably NSFW do to language). There as cheesy as you think they are.
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Old August 17 2013, 05:05 AM   #34
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Whatever happened to doing National Treasure 3 and 4? That was a promisingly fun movie franchise that just didn't continue.
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Old August 17 2013, 05:09 AM   #35
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I was working in a big-box bookstore during the peak (then decline) of the books popularity. Looking back it was the Harry Potter or Twilight craze for fundies of the time.

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Whatever happened to doing National Treasure 3 and 4? That was a promisingly fun movie franchise that just didn't continue.
I know. They had a very Indiana Jones take but in the modern era with a dash of "Find your own adventure"
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Old August 17 2013, 05:24 AM   #36
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Yeah, it was a perfect summer flick movie. I even own them on DVD, just still fun to watch, and the sequel was tons of fun too. Not like some movies where the sequel is a bomb.
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Old August 17 2013, 05:34 AM   #37
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The National Treasure movies were just fun to watch. Left Behind (books, movies, comics, all of it) is just hellishly depressing.
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Old August 17 2013, 07:38 AM   #38
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I'm a bit confused as to who it is supposed to appeal to. Is this whole series created just to allow Christians to feel smug and get their jollies watching atheists and muslims slaughter each other?

Doesn't sound very... Christian.
Depending on how much time you want to devote to it, there's a liberal Christian blogger who spent an exhaustive amount of text (almost 200 posts on the first book!) deconstructing Left Behind - why it's horrific from a theological and artistic perspective, and where the appeal lies. It's good reading in its own right, imo. Here's the first 50 indexed.
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Old August 17 2013, 12:19 PM   #39
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I'm assuming you find all end of the world, apocalyptic, "we're all gonna die" type literary concepts moronic?
Why, are they all the same?
Just looking for clarification... Are they all moronic, or just the one that millions of people believe is how things will go down based on a chapter in the bible?
The ones that are specifically designed to give delusional christian fundamentalists a hard on are certainly. Some others may be as well, but we aren't talking about those. This isn't being made as fiction for those people, they seriously believe it's going to happen.

If you don't think that's moronic, then I don't really know what to say to you.
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Old August 17 2013, 12:45 PM   #40
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Honestly, don't really see the issue. The film could be good or bad, but it isn't automatically terrible because it appeals to Christians. Been plenty of brilliant pro-Christian films made in the history of cinema. And I don't even like Christianity.

I'm a huge Nicholas Cage fan... when he isn't phoning it in. He's delivered too many brilliant performances to deserve the hate he gets. The problem is that most mainstream movie-goers don't see films like Adaptation or Raising Arizona, so they judge him on Ghost Rider and shit.
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Old August 17 2013, 01:22 PM   #41
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Nobody said it's terrible just because it appeals to Christians. Nobody has even spoken to the specific quality of this film, which hasn't even been made yet. Why is it you can never make an argument without misrepresenting other people's opinions?
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Old August 17 2013, 02:08 PM   #42
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Well, I suggest you look back at your posts in this thread and I'll leave it at that.

I won't be seeing the film as it'll likely be typically lazy, watered down, bland Hollywood fodder, but a movie using Christian mythology doesn't really put me off for that alone. Hell, I even loved Jean-Luc Godard's Hail Mary and Richard Kelly's Southland Tales. I view all Christians as essentially delusional, so making a movie about God loving the atheists is about as realistic to me as a movie about God hating the atheists. The agenda is dumb and annoying, but that's Hollywood all over.

I assume from your avatar that you like Gremlins. I doubt you believe the events of that movie to be realistic and true?

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Old August 17 2013, 02:48 PM   #43
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Well, I suggest you look back at your posts in this thread and I'll leave it at that.
I suggest you do the same. Lots of ideas appeal to Christians, the particular reason why this one appeals so greatly is what is at question here, not simply the fact it appeals to Christians as you claim.
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Old August 17 2013, 02:53 PM   #44
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I find every Christian belief related to the afterlife to be pretty much equally disagreeable and entirely unbelievable. The premise of heaven is always elitist and exclusionary. Somebody lives a life of operating outside government law so gets billions of years of torture as punishment? I don't see how moderate Christian's beliefs are that much less off-putting than fundamentalist beliefs. Those people just tend to be from poorer and less educated backgrounds so are sneered at more acceptably by society than middle-class, liberal Christians that only follow their religion when it's convenient for their lifestyle.
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Old August 17 2013, 03:03 PM   #45
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Well you have a point there. But these books seems like a kind of fundie Christian version of torture porn to me. It gives them the opportunity to get their rocks off watching/reading about a group of people they are prejudiced against get slaughtered for daring not believe the same things they do, while fantasising about watching it from their perch in heaven.

It's not about whether it's believable or not, but about why somebody would want to read about or watch that. I suspect it is simply to reinforce their own feeling of superiority.
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