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Old August 16 2013, 04:28 PM   #31
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Re: V'Ger origins: Borg or not?

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As a matter of fact I'm not sure how Star Trek was never sued by the BBC for the copyright infringement. The Borg and the Cybermen are too close!
For starters, the BBC doesn't own the Cybermen. Kit Peddler and Gerry Davis do.
People forget, Doctor Who plays by English Rules.
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Old August 17 2013, 01:31 AM   #32
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V'ger is not the precursor to The Borg. Roddenberry didn't create The Borg.

Now The Cybermen as the precursor to the Borg. Yeah.

As a matter of fact I'm not sure how Star Trek was never sued by the BBC for the copyright infringement. The Borg and the Cybermen are too close!
The idea of cybernetic beings did not originate with Doctor Who. You can actually trace their earliest (known) appearances in science-fiction stories as far back as the late 19th-Century.
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Old August 17 2013, 01:34 AM   #33
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Re: V'Ger origins: Borg or not?

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V'ger is not the precursor to The Borg. Roddenberry didn't create The Borg.

Now The Cybermen as the precursor to the Borg. Yeah.

As a matter of fact I'm not sure how Star Trek was never sued by the BBC for the copyright infringement. The Borg and the Cybermen are too close!
The idea of cybernetic beings did not originate with Doctor Who. You can actually trace their earliest (known) appearances in science-fiction stories as far back as the late 19th-Century.
Yes, but when did the idea of cybernetic beings assimilating non-cybernetic beings first appear?
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Old August 17 2013, 02:26 AM   #34
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Re: V'Ger origins: Borg or not?

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V'ger is not the precursor to The Borg. Roddenberry didn't create The Borg.

Now The Cybermen as the precursor to the Borg. Yeah.

As a matter of fact I'm not sure how Star Trek was never sued by the BBC for the copyright infringement. The Borg and the Cybermen are too close!
The idea of cybernetic beings did not originate with Doctor Who. You can actually trace their earliest (known) appearances in science-fiction stories as far back as the late 19th-Century.
Yes, but when did the idea of cybernetic beings assimilating non-cybernetic beings first appear?
The earliest known appearance I can think of was in "The Jameson Satellite," which appeared in a 1931 issue of Amazing Stories. The story featured a race of cybernetic beings called the Zoromes, comprised of members assimilated from many different worlds. Unlike the Cybermen and the Borg, the Zoromes were benevolent explorers, but they believed in cybernetic assimilation as a means of improving and expanding their species across the universe.

You could say that Doctor Who took the concept of the Zoromes and created an evil version of them in the form of the Cybermen.
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Old August 24 2013, 07:13 PM   #35
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And the Borg need not be the only cyborgs. The Vegan tyranny, whoever built the drydock that captured the Archer Enterprise crew,others from Novels, Bynars, etc.
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Old August 24 2013, 08:24 PM   #36
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Going strictly by Canon won't help here. Roddenberry himself once said [citation needed] the machine planet was the Borg homeworld, he could be joking or not, ymmv.
I do recall him saying something about this (though I don't remember in what publication as there was no internet as we know it then). Even at that time, it was clear he was speaking somewhat in jest, and it was not a serious thought.
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Old August 24 2013, 08:30 PM   #37
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... Bynars ...
The Bynar would seem to have "mini-collectives," with two people in each.

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Old August 24 2013, 09:42 PM   #38
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Re: V'Ger origins: Borg or not?

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Going strictly by Canon won't help here. Roddenberry himself once said [citation needed] the machine planet was the Borg homeworld, he could be joking or not, ymmv.
I do recall him saying something about this (though I don't remember in what publication as there was no internet as we know it then). Even at that time, it was clear he was speaking somewhat in jest, and it was not a serious thought.
I think the Star Trek Encyclopedia or Chronology mention it, though they note he wasn't entirely serious when he said it.
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Old August 25 2013, 12:26 AM   #39
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I'll stick with the story in the "Destiny" books.
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Old August 25 2013, 12:58 AM   #40
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Re: V'Ger origins: Borg or not?

I always thought the Borg just sort of happened. With the V'Ger route or the Columbia route, us humans had a hand in its creation. Mind, I quite liked Destiny and found the Caeliar rather nifty, but I think the Borg should be terribly mysterious.

It seems to me that they themselves don't even know how they started. IIRC, Seven mentions in an episode of VOY that a lot of the Borg's older collective memories are sort of swiss cheese.
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Old August 25 2013, 01:08 AM   #41
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No. The Borg go back about 900+ years, at least according to the Vaaduwar.
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Old August 25 2013, 01:33 AM   #42
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Why do the Borg have to be the only machine world in the galaxy?

It's like saying the Humans are the only ones who ever had the idea of building an interstellar community with their neighbours.
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Old August 25 2013, 06:18 AM   #43
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How did this topic get turned around from the Borg "creating" V'ger to V'ger creating the Borg?
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Old August 25 2013, 06:23 AM   #44
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How did this topic get turned around from the Borg "creating" V'ger to V'ger creating the Borg?
Because of this, I'm guessing.

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Old August 26 2013, 07:05 PM   #45
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How did this topic get turned around from the Borg "creating" V'ger to V'ger creating the Borg?
It evolved.
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