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View Poll Results: If they made a 25th century TV series, would you watch it?
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Old August 16 2013, 04:43 PM   #31
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Re: If they made a 25th century TV series, would you watch it?

You have to think outside of your own personal Trek bias and put yourself in the shoes of the millions of viewers who only has a fleeting interest in Star Trek.

They dont care about which century it is in, the ship, the type of uber phaser banks it is armed with or even which galaxy it gets thrown into, what does matter is the key concepts (adventures in space, human race in the future etc) and the star pulling power of the cast that attracts viewers.
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Old August 16 2013, 05:42 PM   #32
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Re: If they made a 25th century TV series, would you watch it?

I don't like the idea of jumping forward another century. The technobabble would be unbearable!
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Old August 16 2013, 05:48 PM   #33
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Re: If they made a 25th century TV series, would you watch it?

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I don't like the idea of jumping forward another century. The technobabble would be unbearable!
How do you know that? Rick Berman would be in charge, and by all accounts, he was the originator of the "technobabble", which, honestly, wasn't THAT bad. Hell, I never understood most of it anyhow.
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Old August 16 2013, 05:58 PM   #34
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I don't like the idea of jumping forward another century. The technobabble would be unbearable!
How do you know that? Rick Berman would be in charge, and by all accounts, he was the originator of the "technobabble", which, honestly, wasn't THAT bad. Hell, I never understood most of it anyhow.
It was frickin awful.

Technobabble or fankwank phaser banks were some sort of substitute to characters using their wit and intelligence to overcome adversity, but I guess the latter requires good writing and good taste.

Not only technobabble is a real turn off, the production values of Berman trek left much to be desired, no panache, nothing of distinction and things were not much better even on the big screen with Nemesis where production budgets were not as restraint. Compared to other TV shows and movies of the time, Trek was trounced.
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Old August 16 2013, 10:54 PM   #35
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I don't like the idea of jumping forward another century. The technobabble would be unbearable!
I actually think it wouldn't be. Sure, there might be a few new terms here and there (for example, maybe slipstream drive instead of warp drive), but I actually think the tech would be treated like it was in TOS or in the Abramsverse movies--stuff either works or it doesn't.
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Old August 17 2013, 04:14 AM   #36
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Absolutely I would.
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Old August 17 2013, 10:33 AM   #37
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Re: If they made a 25th century TV series, would you watch it?

Here's how they came up with their technobabble in TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT.

So many times when watching Voyager, a character would refer to "tri-cyclic-graviton-sensors" or similar and I'd be thinking, why the fuck can't you just say "sensors"??
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Old August 17 2013, 11:18 AM   #38
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I like that chart.
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Old August 17 2013, 11:21 AM   #39
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I think it was to pad out dialogue.

I remember seeing some early script drafts from either TNG or VOY in which writers would write dialogue that would features parts referred to simply as [TECH] that would be later filled in with technobabble by someone else.
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Old August 17 2013, 11:31 AM   #40
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Re: If they made a 25th century TV series, would you watch it?

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I'd watch it religiously.
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Why do people never put "I don't know" as an answer for these polls?
Quite. Once upon a time I'd have said religiously, but Enterprise allowed me to break free. Part of me enjoys the freedom.

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I think it was to pad out dialogue.

I remember seeing some early script drafts from either TNG or VOY in which writers would write dialogue that would features parts referred to simply as [TECH] that would be later filled in with technobabble by someone else.
No point in creating your own, if it disagreed with established jargon, the fans would only pick it apart. Let someone else do it, the someone else gets the blame
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Old August 17 2013, 11:48 AM   #41
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I'd watch it religiously.
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Why do people never put "I don't know" as an answer for these polls?
Quite. Once upon a time I'd have said religiously, but Enterprise allowed me to break free. Part of me enjoys the freedom.
I did stop watching ENT a little more than half-way during its second season (first time I ever walked away from a Trek series). I kept tabs on it from this site and others, and came back for the fourth season.

I do think ENT was a result of creator fatigue and interference from network/studio execs. I tend to think had the show had a fifth season, it would have become even better.
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I think it was to pad out dialogue.

I remember seeing some early script drafts from either TNG or VOY in which writers would write dialogue that would features parts referred to simply as [TECH] that would be later filled in with technobabble by someone else.
No point in creating your own, if it disagreed with established jargon, the fans would only pick it apart. Let someone else do it, the someone else gets the blame
I think it had more to do with the writers not really being technobabble experts, but using [TECH] as a placeholder for some device or whatever our heroes would need to get the job done. It may have been the show's technical consultant(s) who had to invent something "future tech-sounding" to fill in that blank in a script.
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Old August 17 2013, 01:53 PM   #42
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Absolutely I'd watch.
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Old August 17 2013, 05:07 PM   #43
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A spinoff, by definition, is more of the same. Only the names and faces are different. Only half-hearted cosmetic change is permitted, so as not to offend fans of the original. Unfortunately, by the time you get to your third or fourth spinoff, fans of the original are bored out of their minds. A reboot, at least, makes some effort to shake out the cobwebs and get the engine revving again.


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I think the reason Enterprise struggled was that people wanted to go further into the future rather than have a prequel to the TOS.
Enterprise struggled because it wasn't very good. It started out with twelve-million viewers and was at less than two million a week when the series ended.
Can't disagree with the viewing figures which is a shame as I thought it got better in the 3rd, 4th series. DS9 & Voyager also took a few seasons to really get going.

Les Moonves said the fourth season nosedived in the ratings because it was "hip deep in canon". I'm not anticipating a series devoted to the old canon from him. Actually, I'm not anticipating a series at all.
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Old August 17 2013, 05:14 PM   #44
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Actually, I'm not anticipating a series at all.
This is where I'm at.

Too much expense and too little interest in outer space TV from the general public.
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Old August 17 2013, 08:25 PM   #45
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They had just done three series that had Klingon characters and many, many stories dealing with Klingons and yet Enterprise felt the need to go to that well one more time.
They did deal with the Andorians (who hadn't been seen in TNG & DS9) and they introduced a new race called the Zindi, in addition to the Denoublans, the Suliban and the Na'khul. Mistakes aside, that was doing something new, even if people didn't like them.

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Not only technobabble is a real turn off, the production values of Berman trek left much to be desired, no panache, nothing of distinction and things were not much better even on the big screen with Nemesis where production budgets were not as restraint. Compared to other TV shows and movies of the time, Trek was trounced.
According to you. And yet, most fans who hate the movies want the Bermangaverse back, technobabble included. If people can stand to hear legalese and very graphic medibabble on the CSI shows, House, ER, and Chicago Hope, then they can stand to hear technobabble that's (IMHO) only slightly removed from what most people deal with now in their jobs.

As for the supposedly crappy design; considering that said design is the standard used in Star Trek Online and is still the basis of most fan art of Deviant Art, I'd say that your assertion's been disproved.

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