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Old August 13 2013, 10:14 PM   #91
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I wonder when the tracer was put on Walt's car, I ask because we know he made a trip to Saul's to get the 5 mill then to Jesse's to give it back to him. So does Hank know he went to Jesse's place I wonder.
It might not have been placed there until Walt got back home. But if it was placed there earlier, then Hank's gonna know about Jessie and Saul (though Saul pretty much has little to worry about with respect to getting caught up in the web).

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I was a little disappointed that the confrontation came so quickly. I envisioned more of a cat and mouse game where Hank knows or strongly suspects Walt's involvement and proceeds with a clandestne investigation while Walt suspects Hank knows and adds heading Hank off at every pass, to his juggling act.
I'm actually glad that the confrontation came so early because I envisioned the same thing. One of the great things about Breaking Bad is that they ying when we expect them to yang. Like what they did with Tuco. I was expecting him to be the antagonist for the second season but he was killed off two episodes in, which allowed season 2 to develop in unexpected ways. A similar thing happened with the cousins in season 3. It's why I was actually a little disappointed that season 4 dragged out the Gus conflict the whole season. (Although, it was still an amazing season of television.)
See, part of it was that I thought the first confrontation should have been bigger, epic even. It wasn't though, It seemed sort of "small". Hank gets angry, punches Walt in the nose, calls him an S.O.B., accuses Walt of bad stuff we know Walt did. The whole thing is over in seconds.

That's why I was hoping for a build up. Their confrontation should have been epic and "epic" requires some build up. Hank carries on his behind the scenes I/V never fully believing, but suspecting, it's Walt.

Finally discovers "smoking gun" type evidence and it points to a guy Hank has lured to a secluded area. Hank alone approaches, gets closer, his worst fears begin to materialize -- until finally...yeah, the notorious drug kingpin, Hisenberg, who has eluded the DEA for over a year is the guy Hank has thought of as a brother for 20 years or so. Hank reacts.

To me, this (or something like this), would have been more satisfying. But this is not to say that I didn't like what we did get. It's just that it left me a little disappointed.
By putting the Walt/Hank confrontation in the first episode, my conception of how the season would play out has been shattered. I have no idea now how things with Hank will play out now, and I'm more excited than ever to find out.
Yeah, this.
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Old August 13 2013, 11:42 PM   #92
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If Walt wanted to commit suicide, he'd be able to come up with quicker more painless ways to do it than ricin. I got the impression he wanted the M16 just for general on the run self protection.
It's not an M16, it's an M60, the belt-fed machine gun of Vietnam fame. It's a large and bulky weapon, generally operated by a team of two in service. For one person to operate effectively it pretty much needs to be in a fixed position, and Walt is not exactly Rambo. The implication to me is Walt would use it for defense of a "dug in" position, or a surprise assault on some hardened or well-defended target.
Oh, then it's totally for a cartel that's threatening his family.

I think Hank's idea is that he's not going to be taken seriously without hard proof Walter is Heisenberg. And he also thinks he'll be taken off the case if he hasn't already done all the work. Before he asks for a warrant he wants to know specifically what he'll find with it.

I'm glad they didn't drag out the confrontation just because that's what most TV shows would do and it makes me more excited that Breaking Bad is doing something different. Also I'm not sure they could justify it in character. Hank's not a good enough liar/actor the way Walt is to not tip his hand in front of Walt, and Walt's too sharp not to notice the way Hank is behaving. It would not have made sense for the confrontation not to happen.

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Old August 14 2013, 01:22 AM   #93
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A significant amount of time would have to pass for a house to be in that bad of shape. I'm thinking maybe a year or two.
The opening of the season showed Walter celebrating his 52nd birthday in a diner. Since he just celebrated 51 recently, it indicates just one year has passed.
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Old August 14 2013, 01:47 AM   #94
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I agree, revenge isn't Walt's style. Every single murder he's committed has been a pragmatic murder. Maybe he would kill Hank if it would legally protect him and his family, but he wouldn't do it just because he's pissed.
I think Mike would disagree.
But Mike wasn't a revenge kill. Mike was a flying off the handle kill, an emotional outburst of the most violent kind. As brilliant & calculating as Walt is, he's also a slave to his emotional instability. Walt is a loose cannon. That's why Gus wanted him out of the picture, even more than he wanted Jesse out of it. As much of a loose cannon as Jesse is, Walt is atomic in comparison

You know who else is a loose cannon?..... H a n k. For all the talk about how in some way or another this situation could ruin Hank in the DEA (& it could even come to that) I truly expect that Hank couldn't give one single shit about that at all

From that conversation, it is clear that problem #1 is he will now have tunnel vision for Walt, which is certainly unsure territory to be treading like a bull moose, hence, Walt's comment, a purposeful intention, and even with as much as Hanks's learned about him... He's right. He has no idea who Walt is. That's problem #2. Problem #3 is that if Hank ever wants to come at Walt right. He can't go it alone, to be sure. Now's not the time to make it personal

Clearly, there's been some time passage in the forward, wherein Hank has yet to get him one way or the other. One thing is certain. That factor works in favor of Walt. When he's desperate & given time to plan. He comes up with some left field doozies.

I'm just sitting back & waiting to see which loose cannon gets off the last shot. The odds on favorite is undoubtedly Walt, but I'm an underdog man myself & that is without question, Jesse, who wouldn't surprise me at this point if he killed Walt in a murder/suicide, for all his self loathing
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Old August 14 2013, 01:48 AM   #95
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I'm glad they didn't drag out the confrontation just because that's what most TV shows would do and it makes me more excited that Breaking Bad is doing something different. Also I'm not sure they could justify it in character. Hank's not a good enough liar/actor the way Walt is to not tip his hand in front of Walt, and Walt's too sharp not to notice the way Hank is behaving. It would not have made sense for the confrontation not to happen.
Agreed. Hank's always been one to wear his emotions on his sleeve, and whenever he does try to hold something in (such as the panic attacks he had after the Tuco shooting), it's pretty plainly obvious that something is troubling him.

Walt would have picked up on that immediately.
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Old August 14 2013, 03:46 AM   #96
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A significant amount of time would have to pass for a house to be in that bad of shape. I'm thinking maybe a year or two.
The opening of the season showed Walter celebrating his 52nd birthday in a diner. Since he just celebrated 51 recently, it indicates just one year has passed.
Yeah, I forgot about that. I guess a year would be enough time.
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Old August 14 2013, 09:50 AM   #97
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Scotty beaming Chekov's guts into space sounds like a perfect idea for the next film. Hilarious!

I'm so happy to see Breaking Bad back, but it means that there isn't much time till we say goodbye to our characters. I suppose that Hank and Walt's confrontation happening now was a clever move to ensure we have no idea where things will go. Walt warning Hank to tread lightly was a very tense way to end the episode, so now I'm gagging for more.

I wonder too who it was Walt was protecting himself from in the opener. Is it Hank? Jesse? Scotty?
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Old August 14 2013, 10:28 AM   #98
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Old August 14 2013, 09:09 PM   #99
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Old August 14 2013, 10:08 PM   #100
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Old August 14 2013, 10:48 PM   #101
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I'm so happy to see Breaking Bad back, but it means that there isn't much time till we say goodbye to our characters. I suppose that Hank and Walt's confrontation happening now was a clever move to ensure we have no idea where things will go. Walt warning Hank to tread lightly was a very tense way to end the episode, so now I'm gagging for more.
Yeah, it clearly shows that the BB writers have a much greater imagination than us, and that there are probably going to be a lot more moving parts and unexpected twists than we were expecting.
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Old August 15 2013, 01:29 AM   #102
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I'm so happy to see Breaking Bad back, but it means that there isn't much time till we say goodbye to our characters. I suppose that Hank and Walt's confrontation happening now was a clever move to ensure we have no idea where things will go. Walt warning Hank to tread lightly was a very tense way to end the episode, so now I'm gagging for more.
Yeah, it clearly shows that the BB writers have a much greater imagination than us, and that there are probably going to be a lot more moving parts and unexpected twists than we were expecting.
Or it ends with Walt and Jesse loading up to assault Madrigal, Walt turns to Jesse and says "let's do this" followed by a fade to black
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Old August 15 2013, 05:35 AM   #103
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I was thinking that the ricin might be intended for Walt himself. Though considering the symptoms, I doubt if that would be his preferred form of suicide. Still a thought though. I could see him setting up some kind of last-stand, relying on the ricing as a suicide pill or something.
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Old August 15 2013, 02:07 PM   #105
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See, part of it was that I thought the first confrontation should have been bigger, epic even. It wasn't though, It seemed sort of "small". Hank gets angry, punches Walt in the nose, calls him an S.O.B., accuses Walt of bad stuff we know Walt did. The whole thing is over in seconds.
I see where you're coming from. I doubt this will be the only confrontation between Walt and Hank this season though, this was just a preliminary confrontation. I imagine there's going to be a pretty explosive showdown between the two before the season is out. And knowing Walt's track record, it might literally be explosive.


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I wonder too who it was Walt was protecting himself from in the opener. Is it Hank? Jesse? Scotty?
The best theory I've read is that Jesse gets kidnapped by Lydia's cohorts and is forced to cook for them. The finale sees Walt attempting to rescue Jesse in one final redemptive act.
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