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Old August 12 2013, 01:55 PM   #16
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Re: ST 3: ST's equivalent of Skyfall..?

I thoroughly enjoyed STID, more so than ST09, which was very good but had too many plot holes. STID was much tighter and I saw it as a successful homage to TWOK rather than the rip-off that others saw. I hated to see Pike die but it made sense for Kirk to have his father figure get murdered for Jim to grow into his role as captain. I loved the scene on the ship with Kirk, Spock, and Uhura when she accuses Spock of being unfeeling and the Vulcan tells her that he is quite the opposite. The humor was appropriate and very successful, something that was rarely done well in TNG's films. Flipping around the roles in the ship-saving scene worked great especially with the lines that were fated to be spoken by someone involved. It all worked for me.

As for the next film, I agree with those who are a bit tired of the formula that includes monster ships, bad guys who want to destroy Earth, and mass destrruction of major cities with no mention of or concern for the people in the crumbling skyscrapers. The best stories have always been the "damned if you do/damned if you don't" stories in which our heroes have to resolve a very difficult moral dillema. I'm no writer so I'll leave it at that.
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Old August 12 2013, 05:11 PM   #17
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Having a substantial chunk of the story carried by an actor the caliber of Dame Judi Dench didn't hurt either.
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Old August 12 2013, 08:41 PM   #18
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Re: ST 3: ST's equivalent of Skyfall..?

Bring in Stewart to die at the end. I think the message might get a bit backwards though :P
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Old August 12 2013, 08:56 PM   #19
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With regards to the Craig Bond films there is no denying that "Casino Royale" reinvigorated the franchise and was well received. So perhaps it exceeded expectations. WHen QoS comes around it is following one of the better bond films so perhaps all it can do is dsissapoint as expectations are high. With QoS being slighly dissapointing expectations are lower for "Skyfall" so perhaps all it can do is suprise.

Yes Skyfall does have it's faults but it's an al together tighter movie tha QoS focusus on the characters rather than the action.
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Old August 12 2013, 10:48 PM   #20
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Hopefully ST3 will be more fun and not as gloomy as Skyfall. I did like Skyfall but it's not my ideal James Bond movie. Maybe they should have called it "James Bond Into Darkness".
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Old August 13 2013, 12:23 AM   #21
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^I've been under the impression the actual, real title is Dark Bond Rises.
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Old August 13 2013, 12:26 AM   #22
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Konata Izumi wrote: View Post
Bring in Stewart to die at the end. I think the message might get a bit backwards though :P

Speaking of death, I did not like M's death all that much in Skyfall, I was like the poor lady...she has been Bond's surrogate Mum since the Brosnan era and she gets taken out by a lunatic.

Is that what you wish for our dear Picard, who in my opinion is the best star fleet captain ever (no offence to Kirk's fans).

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Old August 13 2013, 12:58 AM   #23
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serenitytrek1 wrote: View Post

Is that what you wish for our dear Picard...
Why not? I'd rather him go out in an interesting way than meander about as Enterprise captain for decades with a walker moaning about his Geritol injections.

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Old August 15 2013, 03:04 AM   #24
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Here's an interesting observation, all three reboot Bond movies shared 2 screenwriters. I had thought they overhauled the crew with Skyfall.
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Old August 15 2013, 01:38 PM   #25
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Only thing I got from Skyfall was that Bond sucked at his job. If the third Trek movie is going to be the "Skyfall" of the series, I'm expecting the crew to fail at everything they set out to do.
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Old August 15 2013, 05:42 PM   #26
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So...The Wrath of Khan then?
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Old August 15 2013, 05:59 PM   #27
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If only Kirk raised the damn shields as regulations stipulate (and Saavik reminded him!) then that movie would have been very different.
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Old August 15 2013, 06:51 PM   #28
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If only Kirk raised the damn shields as regulations stipulate (and Saavik reminded him!) then that movie would have been very different.
If Kirk raises the shields, then there is no movie as the Enterprise destroys the Reliant.
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Old August 15 2013, 07:02 PM   #29
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Or we actually get to see Khan's superior intellect in action and Kirk gets beat even on his own terms, which would have been a more complex and interesting way to drive his arc in the story.

That whole not raising the shields thing has always been among the weakest of links for me in TWOK.
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Old August 15 2013, 07:03 PM   #30
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Only thing I got from Skyfall was that Bond sucked at his job.
This ... times about a trillion. SKYFALL managed to destroy 48 years of moviegoing goodwill about Bond with me (and that is even after suffering through the Moore era.)
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